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There's a lot that AI is capable of these days, but can it match human creativity when it comes to humor?
Former New Yorker cartoons editor Bob Mankoff put the machines to the test when it comes to cartooning and quips.
In his 2024 talk, he shares what he learned from trying to get AI to make jokes.
When you're thrilled by what AI can do for us or terrified by what AI is going to do to us, whether it can be funny is probably not top of mind for you.
It is for me. I don't care if it turns all of us into paper clips as long as they're funny paper clips.
And the fact that it makes stuff up hallucinates.
For me, that's not a bug.
That's a feature. My entire career was making stuff up.
They're called cartoons.
There is no algorithm for humor.
But now with the rapid pace of AI, I have to wonder, could there be a bot Mankoff?
You might think my flex of answer to this would be how about never.
But while I don't want to be replaced by a bot, I'm not above being helped by it.
Steve Jobs famously said that computers are a bicycle for the mind.
If that's the case, what's AI, a rocket ship?
And at my age, you know what?
I'd settle for a walker.
The fears of machines replacing humans are not new.
When the goals of machines and humans go horribly awry, at least for one of the parties, cartoons don't happen in a cultural vacuum.
They're part of the zeitgeist, the guy who invented cybernetics, Norbert Wiener, who said thinking machines were putting us on the eve of destruction.
Now, sadly and tragically, Norbert Wiener died, but not by a thinking machine, but by an unthinking one, he was run over by a bus.
That's not true. I made that up.
I hallucinated it, because it's funny.
So these fears are not new, not novel, but now, in the immortal words of Nigel Tuffnell of Spinal Tap, they go to 11.
They're cranked to the max.
And here is one of the maximum cranksters of all time, Elon Musk, saying, AI is one of the biggest threats to humanity, but certainly not as big as Elon Musk.
People like Elon have a PDoom number.
That's the probability AI is going to wipe us out.
I think PDoom is PDum.
I'm interested in P funny, and I've been using the New Yorker caption contest to look into the probability of that.
Every week since 2005, the New Yorker has presented a cartoon without a caption and challenged its readers to come up with the winning caption in the caption contest.
And for that, they get the glory of being in the New Yorker magazine, a huge amount of money, a house in the Bahamas that Sam Bankman freed.
Actually, it's just the glory.
On the page of the New Yorker, there's a contest you enter, the finalists from a few weeks before, three finalists, and a winning caption.
So it's staggered in that way.
Each one of these images are funny.
They're in Congress.
You certainly think they're humorous, but they're not funny in a way that you get.
They're not mentally funny.
To make it that, of course, you need the right caption.
Okay, but with up to 10 ,000 captions every week, how do you select that?
Now, from 2005 to early 16, that burden fell on me and my assistants, but mainly my assistants to try to cull the good captions from what we did in 2016 for the benefit of all humanity, but mainly for me and my assistants.
We switched to crowdsourcing.
So now for every contest, you vote online and a funniness score from over a million judgments is given for all the captions.
Now, overall, I'm against mob rule, but actually, in this case, the mob does a pretty good job.
Usually, the finalists, almost certainly, almost all the time really, the finalists come from the top 200 captions.
Well, this is popular not only with the New Yorker, but it's caught the eye of data scientists, creativity searchers, cognitive scientists, and AI, of course, and everything adjacent to AI.
I wasn't really surprised when Vincent van Hoek, then the chief data scientist for Google's DeepMind, now the head of robotics sent me this email indicating that winning the caption contest, which was actually similar to the sine qua non of human creativity and intelligence.
And I was also flattered by that, of course, but I didn't think they had any chance at all of doing it.
And it turned out that was the case.
All of the AI juju circuit 2016 wasn't up to the task.
It really couldn't even decode the image.
So for the sine qua non of the human mind, DeepMind was non compost mentus and out of its depth.
But time and AI marched on.
AI marching quadruple time, Vincent gets back to me and says, while human creativity might still be out of reach, we think we have understanding well in hand.
He sends me this ridiculous uber nerd example of explaining humor.
And I said, you know what, let me give you a cartoon I did in 1997 and this other watershed moment, when IBM's DeepMind defeated Gary Kasparov, the world's chess champion.
And here's the cartoon I did then.
And it says, no, I don't want to play chess.
I just want you to read the lasagna.
I rate this explanation a solid B minus.
But so what if it was an A?
Is there ever going to be a beautiful New Yorker cartoon anthology of explanations?
I don't think so. But the idea that understanding humor could be a stepping stone to creating it sort of made sense.
This paper I was involved in tried to look at compared to smart humans, what were the best AIs do on three tasks.
Could they from winning captions from this different contest match to the right image?
Could they between two captions, one that won and the one was pretty good, picked the right one?
And could they explain the humor?
Now for all of them, you know, what?
Yeah, humans were still ahead.
But AI is closing the gap.
The most interesting thing about this paper for me was it showed a pathway for which you could create cartoon humor.
And that was how we trained the contest for 653 contests.
The AI was trained fine tune on these examples which humans annotated, a description of the cartoon, explanation of the humor.
Okay, if you use chat GPT, you sort of get repeat and you get new cartoons.
Well, Jack Hessel, the chief author of the paper did something more sophisticated.
And what he did was create 50 synthetic new cartoons generated from this old data in which there were five options for captions.
I picked four of them and I gave them to cartoonish Shannon Wheeler to draw up.
Now Shannon said, well, these are weird, they don't really seem like it's sort of an uncanny valley of cartoons.
They're not quite there.
But it is interesting.
All of these are new cartoons that never appeared anywhere that are an idea of human of a computer creativity.
But I do see this now as a tool for brainstorming for cartoonists.
In that we played this completely straight.
Shannon wasn't able to manipulate the description of the picture or the caption.
Had he done that, it could have been better.
Also, we could have asked it to make more.
We could have put in the rankings for the humor.
We could do all this to improve it.
So quality comes out of quantity.
You can get an awful lot of quantity here.
You can have a human being in the loop to do this.
But I would not go so far to give AI a true human sense of humor.
A human sense of humor is not about making a joke or getting it.
It's rooted in our vulnerability.
It's the blessing we get for the curse of mortality.
Mark Twain said the true source of humor is not joy but sorrow.
If we gave AI the thousand natural shocks that flesh is heir to, that would be cruel.
If we did that, it might very well want to wipe us out.
And if they did, all I ask is that they take Elon first.
Thank you. That was Bob Mankoff speaking at TEDxU of M in 2024.
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