Anthropic is cracking down and tightening their usage limits for cloud code.
And this is interesting for a number of reasons.
This is a problem that we had over the weekend, basically, in a little bit last week.
But I think it's interesting because this is a problem that basically every AI company is going to face in the future at some point.
And you, as a user of AI tools, are going to get this issue, whether you use cloud or Google or OpenAI or anyone else.
This is a problem that I think anyone can have. And it all is kind of rooted in the not very transparent way that some of these models are talking about their usage limits.
We're going to get into all of that, what you can do and what these AI companies are doing on the podcast today.
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All right, let's get into what Anthropic is doing here.
So the first thing that I think people were upset about, and also I'll explain why you can't to be too upset.
So the main thing people are upset about, they have this thing called the max plan, it is $200 a month, like all these platforms have $200 a month plans, right?
So big whoop, it's for developers specifically for people using clod code.
So this is actually something we use at AI box.
And, and our CTO, he like sent me this article before I even saw it, because he was like, God dang it, maybe the party's over.
And basically, what was happening is before we got on the max plan, we were spending $100 every two days on cloud code credits, we're just like, that's just how much it costs, right?
So you can imagine $100 every two days gets very expensive.
And we were actually thrilled because we're getting so much done, we're doing front end back end cloud code, pretty much just ties into your whole code base.
And it's a text interface where you're like, hey, you know, go to all of our, you know, all of our sales pages and go update the footer to be be like x, y, and z.
Or you could say, hey, go and create a new, you know, feature on this tool that we have that's able to automatically upload and generate images that do x, y, z, like you could do really impressive things.
It's, you know, not quote unquote, vibe coding, where all these guys are over on lovable with these other apps and kind of making like these, you know, front end interfaces, like it was doing some serious stuff.
Now, was it perfect?
No, sometimes it would just break everything.
And you got to revert the change and go figure out why and, and change, you know, how you ask the question.
But we got very good and essentially came up with some really good steps in order to you know ask cloud code questions very elaborate stuff and so essentially we're able to generate tons and get a ton done for what we would be paying engineers in way more money for the problem was it still was pretty expensive because we're getting so much done and there's this max plan which is essentially $200 a month and once we realized because you know I've seen comments on Twitter people talking about that they just launched this thing and so we tried write it out.
And it was kind of complicated because you actually can't get it just by like clicking on it.
You got to contact them and like send them a message and get them to add it to your account and do all this.
I don't know, sort of annoying stuff, but whatever.
Basically we went from paying a hundred dollars every two days to $200 a month, which seems incredible.
And we are not the only ones because, um, there's someone else that was commenting on a story over on tech crunch and they are a super heavy user of, um, Claude code and they, they're, they want to remain remain anonymous.
They don't want to know.
They don't want people to know who they were, but they said that this, you know, this max plan lets them make about a thousand dollars worth of calls.
So he was measuring their API pricing.
He was just looking at how much like output he was getting and looking at what their API cost was.
And he was like, look, I'm getting a thousand dollars worth of calls every single day on a $200 a month plan.
Right. So he's getting $30 ,000 or, you know, if he's $20 ,000, if he's not working the weekends, it's getting $20 ,000 worth of outputs for $200 a month.
It's like insane, right?
It's so, it's way too much, way too generous.
I mean, we love it, but it's probably too generous for the company.
And he, so basically this guy said he wasn't surprised the usage limits were coming and becoming more restrictive, but pretty much I think what he said, what everyone said is like, just be transparent.
He said the lack of communication just causes people to lose confidence in them.
And we're all also kind of crying and whining as we're saving thousands and thousands of dollars.
So you like take it with a grain of salt.
So basically what happened and what could other, what, what could be the implication for other AI companies?
Basically, there's a kind of this arbitrage where you're getting very cheap output for code for, you know, 200 bucks a month.
They started restricting it, but they didn't tell people they were restricting it.
Basically people were just, you would just get kind of this error message that said Claude code limit reached.
And then you were given a time, which was typically within a matter of hours when your limit was going to reset.
But there was basically nowhere online could you see any sort of announcement about a change of limits.
A lot of people just thought that their subscription had been downgraded and that their usage was being inaccurately tracked.
One person was complaining over on GitHub.
So basically, you can go to GitHub and see people's comments and complaints on what's going on.
but one user specifically said, your tracking of usage limits has changed and is no longer accurate.
There's no way in the 30 minutes of a few requests, I've hit the 900 messages, right?
So some people like us are going crazy on it.
Some people are using it less, but it's still useful to them, right?
What was really interesting is Anthropic basically, like said, yes, like when they were someone reached out to them about it, they're like, yeah, we know we have this problem.
And there's something going on.
But they didn't really elaborate further.
And it's kind of hard for them to elaborate, right?
Because if they said, Hey, look, we had some sort of outage, or our GPUs went down, or our server was went down, or like, something like that, then people be like, okay, well, we want like a refund and like, or like some sort of discount or whatever, right?
So they're kind of like very not transparent about the whole thing other than saying, like, yeah, we see an issue, we're trying to fix it, basically.
What's interesting is, like, it's kind of funny to me, because people that I've heard talk about this issue, basically, were like okay we're gonna go try different platforms um if you you know so one person in particular said i just stopped the well okay so this is kind of crazy they they said pretty much their whole project got killed from this usage limit they couldn't work on it at all i'm assuming they're doing some crazy stuff with front end and back end and when we do that we use an insane amount of compute but anyways this user um said that it has been impossible to get their project to
move forward with all these limits they said quote it just stopped the ability to make progress I tried Gemini and Kimmy, but there's really nothing else that that's competitive with the capability set of Claude code right now.
And this is true, like Gemini, I'll tell you the amazing thing about Google Gemini has got a million token context window.
So you put this huge file in there.
But guess what, some code bases are way bigger than that.
And plus, you don't want to copy and paste your entire code base into Gemini to ask it to do a little question.
Claude code is amazing because it's built right into your terminal.
And so you know, VS code or whatever.
And so you can can be coding in in where you're usually looking at your code where all your code is hosted and held and it's it's you know editing everything right in there you're not copying and pasting off site somewhere else like Elon Musk recommended you with grok for like and like I welcome grok or Gemini to build tools like cloud code but right now cloud code is just the best because it plugs into what you currently use it does the front end and the back end it's insane and does all the design as well it looks at your designs anyways it's amazing I'm sure you've heard me talk about about it
too much. But it is really impressive.
And like this person was saying, like, there are no other options.
So it's kind of interesting, we had this really big unlock in coding capabilities, thanks to it.
But there's not a lot of other options.
And I would love for there to be other options.
They just don't exist right now with you know, what what clause able to do.
So what, what does this mean?
And why were they able to do this?
And really no one, you know, kind of get mad at them.
So what's interesting is if you go to their website, and look at the, you know, basically the terms for Claude's max plan usage, like how much usage you get out of it.
It doesn't say you get a certain amount of tokens.
It doesn't say you get a certain amount of compute or, or like basically anything.
All it says is that they actually have, so they have one plan lower than max, which is called expanded usage.
And that's a hundred dollars a month.
So there's regular Claude, 20 bucks a month, expanded usage, a hundred dollars a month and max 200.
So like, what do you get?
They don't really explain.
All they say is that the expanded of usage is five times more usage than pro and that the maximum is 20 times more usage than pro so theoretically if they were throttling everyone on the pro tier as well you're still getting 20 times more usage than the pro just everyone equally gets throttled so you know there's like nothing people can really do to complain or like get compensated or something for it because like they never said you got a certain amount they just had a certain percentage and if they drop how much, you know, how much how many tokens that the pro plan gets, then everyone else drops
5x or 20x. So in any case, I think that's kind of a sneaky thing they did.
And I think other AI companies are thinking along the same lines there where they don't really say like, oh, you can generate like five videos an hour, they just say like, they're just like really not transparent about it.
And it's like five times as many videos as our free tier and the free tier or it can be whatever they decide to throttle it at.
So I think this is kind of interesting.
If you go to their website, it still says that their network has 100 % uptime for the week.
So they're not really calling it an outage.
It's basically probably a lot of usage and they just had to dial back what they were allowing people to use.
As of now, I think it's mostly sort of regulated, but I think over the weekend, it was a really big deal.
A lot of people were complaining and getting this error.
And I think it's something that will be brought back as usage spikes in the future.
And I don't think that Anthropics, the only company that will do this, i think we're going to see this from basically every company we even see when opening i makes a big new product announcement a big launch and everyone's trying to test it out um you know i remember like sam altman i think it was with memory or something was like oh yeah everyone gets memory like tomorrow and then like the next day it was like actually too many people wanted to try memory so basically it's going to take like three weeks to roll it out to everyone so we can like ramp up our capability to support it so it's these
things get very popular and And it's really hard to supply all of the demand sometimes.
But it's going to be interesting.
And I think at the end of the day, it'd be great if these companies were like transparent about it, like, hey, we're reaching high, you know, volumes of usage.
We've kind of pulled up throttled everyone a little bit right now.
We hope to have this regulated soon, spin up more servers, etc, etc. That's not typically the way they want to communicate, though, because they're worried that people are going to, you know, complain and try to get like some sort of compensation for it.
So in any case, fascinating time.
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