[The Life and Philosophy of a Circus Clown: A Conversation with Matthew D. Goldie]-[A Clown Is Not An Alibi]

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend · B2 · 2026-01-29

📋 Summary

The Art of Buffoonery: Lessons from a Lifetime in the Circus

In a recent episode of Conan O'Brien Needs a Fan, Conan sits down with Matthew D. Goldie, a dedicated circus clown based in Brisbane, Australia. Their conversation transcends the typical fan-host dynamic, evolving into a profound meditation on the nature of comedy, the importance of play, and the enduring power of physical performance.

The Life of a "Clown Classic"

Matthew describes himself as a "clown classic" who has resisted the modern trend of moving away from traditional clown aesthetics. Despite the rise of scary clown tropes in media, Matthew remains committed to his "hoopy pants, the big shoes, the big red nose, and the red wig." For him, the persona of "Goldie the Clown" is not just a costume but a lifelong identity. Having worked in the industry for nearly 35 years—starting in theme parks before joining the circus—he views his work as a 24/7 commitment, performing roughly 360 shows a year.

The Comedy Connection

One of the most touching aspects of the discussion is the realization of their mutual influence. Matthew reveals that Conan O'Brien has been his "biggest inspiration" for his clowning character. He explains that he has spent decades studying Conan’s "physical comedy" and his unique way of "hitting the mark."

Conan, in turn, resonates with Matthew’s perspective on the test of comedy: "To me, that's the best test if someone's funny is can you make a kid laugh?" Both men agree that the ability to make children laugh is the "best drug in the world" and that the physical, often silly nature of their work is a vital way to navigate life. Matthew notes that his relationship with his 13-year-old son is built entirely on "bits and comedy and jokes," a sentiment Conan mirrors in his own life, admitting that he rarely has "serious conversations" because he is always performing.

The Philosophy of the "Great Dodge"

Matthew’s life is defined by the circus; he currently lives in a small 2.5 by 2.5-meter space within his truck, surrounded by his "clown clothes." While he acknowledges the occasional moment of doubt—especially during the COVID-19 pandemic when he briefly drove a truck—he maintains that being a clown is a "great way to get through life." He believes that if one were to get "cold hearted" about making people happy and "buffooning," they would lose a part of their soul.

Conclusion: The Responsibility of the Performer

Despite the lighthearted banter—which includes jokes about whether a clown is a valid "alibi" for criminal behavior—the interview highlights the gravity of their craft. Both Conan and Matthew conclude that while the work can be grueling and at times feels like a "descent into madness," the joy of performance is an essential, life-affirming pursuit. As Matthew prepares for another 300 shows in the coming year, the episode serves as a testament to the idea that comedy, in all its forms, is "God's work."

🎯Key Sentences

I'm guessing from your accent that you're from Cincinnati.

That would be the best place to start.

I've got everything I need in here.

How did this happen?

I just found myself watching the clowns.

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📝Key Phrases

run away to join the circus

take it easy

hit the mark

hang up the old red nose

for a living

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📖 Transcript

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