I was watching that, all i can think about was in another life.
This could have been me, that was.
That was the moment, inflection point that your life changed forever.
Regrets, oh wow.
That's so fascinating that i could now see different lives playing out had i chose another path.
I did audition, but i obviously didn't.
Yes, i obviously didn't get it.
I'm not gonna share.
Well, can i share?
No, i'm not gonna share yet if it were another inflection point and you can choose to do anything in the next 10 years, what would you start today?
I'm too tired.
In another life, in another life.
Welcome back to Voice Hugs, a podcast on becoming your best self and embracing all seasons of life with open arms.
This is your host, Vivian and Rose.
Karolina, hello.
Hey, everyone.
We have some bold colors going on in today's episode.
Viv is wearing a bright blue.
I'm wearing a bright striped magenta and pink.
And it's low-key giving gender reveal, but it's also kind of cute.
This is what I would say I wear on a normal basis.
Yeah.
T-shirt and sweats.
Yeah.
My favorite.
Yes.
Okay.
So something has been percolating in my brain for a really long time.
And I want to share it with you and everyone.
So, as I've entered my well, we're well into our thirties.
But now that I'm in middle age, now that we're in our thirties, I realized something interesting, as I've been just like living my life.
So when you go on Netflix and you watch documentaries and you watch shows, it's just things that you're genuinely interested in, right?
And it can span across many, many things. so then I remember watching as you know some of you know if you've been following me for a long time my profile picture used to be a photo of a great white shark jumping out of the water because I love great white sharks I freaking love great white sharks I think they're so cool I think they're so misunderstood I think they are just so can we say that yeah okay um i just think they're so cool and i recently watched the documentary with ocean ramsey she is a i don't know if she's a marine biologist i'm not sure what her credentials are but she loves sharks she's she grew up in the ocean she's like i've always felt more comfortable or in the sea than i did on land with humans and she swims with them she free dives with them She has like a whole, she takes people on like ships to go swimming with sharks.
That's actually what we did when we went to Hawaii with James the first time we went to Hawaii together.
Remember I swam with sharks?
We'll throw it on screen for those of you who are watching.
I remember.
That was with One Ocean, which is like a part of her company.
Anyway, her most viral videos are her literally in the ocean with her arms outreach touching the nose of sharks of like a massive, great white shark.
Like I love sharks, but when I was in the water swimming with them with like I don't even I don't even remember what sharks they were, but they're very tame and they're not aggressive at all.
But I was like Oh, I would like quickly.
Like you know, they're like Oh, put your fin to them and swim away.
And that was like, I was like scared still.
Right.
So, like the images that they're getting, the videos that they had in this documentary, I was like wow, this is crazy.
And then she just loves them, like dedicating her life to them, and is like trying to pass legislation in Hawaii to make shark fishing like illegal and everything.
And I'm just sitting there being like, this is fascinating.
Not just the show, but just seeing how my potential other lives could have played out had I committed to something like this.
So another example is like, I was watching ancient, not ancient aliens.
That's a whole different show.
Ancient civilizations.
So ancient civilizations.
I forgot what the guy's name is, but it's this older gentleman.
He's just so, he's so cute.
He's so sweet.
He gives off kind of like a little bit more nerdy.
What's the guy who wears the sweater?
That's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
Oh, Mr. Rogers.
He's like a more nerdy Mr. Rogers, but similar like grandpa vibes.
And he just goes around the world like unearthing ancient civilizations because like, according to mainstream history, we've only been around for so long.
But then he's going around the world being like nah, civilizations actually existed like millions and millions of years ago.
There's this thing called the younger dryas and blah blah blah, um.
And then there's also parts where he, you know, they're like unearthing ancient relics with like little brush pens and like digging up fossils.
I wanted to be an archaeologist when i was young, so i think like that was also something.
I was like, oh my god, this is fascinating right, like this could have been me too if i committed my life to this right fossil finder.
Yes, and then another thing oh my gosh, another documentary called the deepest breath.
It's about deep sea divers.
You know, like olympic sports, it's like kind of like that, but it's just to see how far down you can go without an oxygen tank.
You're literally free diving.
But you're just.
There's this thing that you do that if you, if you exhale all of your breath out, you just sink all the way as far as you can go.
But it's not just about going down.
You have to have enough breath to come back up and because sometimes you don't have enough breath, like you could pass out and people have died.
Yeah, It's crazy.
This could have been another life.
This could have been another life.
No, but seriously, I love the ocean.
I love the water.
I love freediving.
But just going down a foot, I'm like, I need to breathe.
So it's just fascinating, right?
This is just kind of...
It's like very niche interest.
I think that when I was watching and like and I didn't think I wasn't like, I watched and I was like oh, past life.
It was through watching a series of things over like the past two years, where one day I was just sitting there being like oh wow, that's so fascinating that I can now see different lives playing out, had I chose another path.
Yeah, so that was a very long intro, but i wanted for us to talk about what some of like lives we could have.
Yeah, what are some lives you could have lived and what are the lives we could live now if we want um yeah, that we can look back 10 years from now on this podcast?
Oh, my god, it's documented.
We're gonna find out.
Yes, if it actually happens yes okay okay yeah your, her interests are your, your interests are very oh, this is tip of the iceberg, my friend.
Yeah yeah yeah okay, before we start yes, feelings jar oh yes um, feelings jar, for There's so much glow in Ro's eyes right now.
She's like so excited.
Use this to describe the past life or an alternate life you wish you lived.
Oh, okay, okay.
Shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it, shake it.
You draw.
Okay.
I'm just the first one that came up it.
Okay, a life.
You could have lived, a life you wished you lived.
Okay, using kitchen utensils.
Kitchen utensil a spatula.
Tell us more spanking, No.
Oh, my God.
It's okay.
It's okay.
It's fine.
My baby.
Okay.
I choose maybe not like a spatula that's a square.
Yeah.
Like a wooden spoon spatula that's like circular.
Okay.
It's big and you grab it and you just start singing.
Uh-huh.
Like you're in the restroom or not.
Okay.
That is what happens when I'm in the restroom.
I sing but like you're in the kitchen, you grab, you know, a spoon and then you just start singing and performing to yourself and your dogs around you.
Yeah.
I would have been a singer on stage touring.
If i could, i would.
I would be hannah montana.
Wow yeah, that's so much to unpack.
That's what i would have.
That's my, that's my other life.
If i could have, if you could have yeah, maybe it's not too late.
Maybe it's not too late.
Too late, girl.
Maybe It's too late.
We just saw James Cole holding baby potato to go out and get the mail.
Okay.
My past life.
Okay, it can't be any of the three you just said.
Yeah, yeah, it's not.
It could be anything because it's a method.
Method of helping me get into character oh, method acting, i don't know, but yeah, i think.
Yeah, wait.
So what's the oh?
Any item in the kitchen, any item?
Oh yeah, i just hold it and it just reminds.
Or like like a mug, a warm mug.
That's actually a method.
Or like a way of acting.
You like feel the warmth and the mug and it gets you in character and okay yeah, like you open the refrigerator yeah, the colds win.
I'm in the arctic circle, there's penguins and the polar bears roaming.
You're really good at this.
I think you could do this in this life and you see the aurora in the distance.
No, but it's crazy because it was like a recent, It was like right before, Right before you moved.
You were considering acting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Love it.
Yeah.
Okay, let's explore these past lives we could have lived.
Go ahead, Viv.
I shared my three and a half.
Okay.
So I love watching singing competitions.
I love like seeing people perform and then they get onto these competitions and there's always a part of me that has like oh, if i was 16 years old, i like wanted to be on american idol.
You know i could sing better than that.
Or like even um more recent no i, i don't think that.
A lot of times i'm like wow, they're really good.
But I think the most recent one I watched was Popstar Academy.
It's a competition.
Their method is like the traditional K-pop training method.
And Cat's Eye came out of that.
But when I was watching that, all I can think about was In Another Life. this could have been me.
I could have been one of these girls and like performing and whatnot.
And even with knowing everything that comes with that territory, I still want it.
Like I still want it.
I don't care.
There's something very exhilarating about performing in front of a live audience and like feeling the energy from the crowd and something like electric.
Something about, yeah, feeling the energy from the crowd and yeah, in another life.
I think you'd be great at it.
No, not anymore.
I mean, not now.
If you were 16.
Yeah.
Because I think.
No, because like even when I think about Blackpink, right?
They would have been.
They're like our age right, they're a little younger, I think.
They're like like five years yeah, five to seven years.
So I've like thought about this before, I think, because they're a little bit younger and there was like a seven year gap yeah, of like nobody coming out of I think it was YG.
Yeah, I was like oh, then see, it wouldn't happen my time anyways, even if I had to shoot.
But like, these thoughts like have crossed my mind you could have been in SM, you could have been in JYP yeah, but then no, too much plastic surgery.
Okay, the crazy thing.
And like it's, as you just said, right everything that comes with this industry, and reading a book called Girl on Girl.
It's like, I think it's like one of the viral books right now.
But it talks a lot about how pop culture has shaped the female psyche and how we show up.
And all of that.
But the thing that it brought up, which is things that we already knew, is in like this modern age, they're no longer looking for talent, as they are about someone who's willing to comply.
Yeah.
So I think like, honestly, even watching pop star Academy.
I think a lot of it is like, yes, they're looking for talent.
They're looking for whether you can sing, whether you can dance.
But I think a huge part is also kind of like, can you, can you be molded?
Can you be shaped?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And like, will you do anything they tell you to do, which is kind of what you are supposed to do. you know like you look at blackpink right it's like it's kind of crazy yeah um and like they they only have like three songs flag pink no they don't they have albums no no no no but it's like i remember watching an analysis and they like their whole business model was to produce hit hit single after hit single after hit single after hit single and once you get five or six you go on tour so then even my cousin she went to their concert and she was just like Yeah, they were kind of just playing the same songs over and over again.
Oh, really?
Because they actually don't have a lot of discography.
Yeah.
Compared to like Taylor Swift.
Right.
Or like, you know, Ari or whoever, right?
Yeah.
So anyway.
Okay, to clarify, I wouldn't be a K-pop star.
I would be like a Whitney Houston.
Like Laugh-.
Oh my gosh, i'd be like olivia dean, like i would be a solo artist who has like really really good vocals, makes like really good music, like none of that edm stuff in the background.
Oh girl, you still can.
No, that's what you want.
No, i absolutely cannot.
But Yeah, a solo artist.
Not a pop star, though.
Yeah.
Like a vocalist.
I mean, you could have been.
I think you have it in you.
Could have, would have, should have.
I've never seen you twerk, though.
I'm not a dancer, which is why, again, I'd be like a Whitney Houston if I could.
I know.
I'm just thinking for as long as I've known Viv, I've never really seen her dance.
No, and you never will. have you seriously pursued this?
Now I feel embarrassed for even talking about this.
But okay, background.
I was in choir for 12 years.
So I like, ever since I was really young, like I think I have a photo of me, maybe when I was four, on stage.
And so singing and performing was something that I always did.
And granted, it was like, at a huge family banquet and it's like it's like in front of family but it's like over a hundred people and you're like a five-year-old and then i would perform at my grandfather's temple when they had like their annual like celebration thing and then choir for 12 years i was in musicals in middle school how come not in high school Our high school didn't have, like, didn't do musical production.
And I did audition for... But I obviously didn't get it.
I obviously didn't get it.
But I auditioned for, I think, SM Entertainment.
Back when I was like 14 or 15.
And at the time I remember going in and everyone was like so Like people would be like doing their dance moves in the corner or like practicing singing.
And I was just there by myself.
Like, I think, a lot of times in this industry too, your parents have to be the one to help you get there or like, get you connected, and that's just not the background that i came from.
So um yeah, i did audition and then they asked me how was the audition?
You, i don't really remember it, but you went in.
You're like lined up with five other people.
You have like people in front of you, and then they just ask you one at a time to sing, and that's like the first round.
And then, after i sang, i remember they had asked me do you speak a different language?
At that time also, all korean groups were only korean speaking.
Yeah yeah, And so I think they were looking for people who could speak more than one language, like either Chinese or like Korean.
And you said?
I said no.
So my other cousin who auditioned.
I just rolled my eyes.
My other cousin who auditioned, I think her friend got asked the same question.
Do you speak another language?
And then she passed to the next round.
She also didn't speak Korean, but she passed the next round.
So I was like, huh, maybe I should have just said.
Yes, I speak Chinese.
我知道Chinese.
中文。 中文。 yeah, but i didn't, so it was fine, but i still like so.
When i was watching pop star academy, that was the.
That was.
That was the moment, inflection point that your life changed forever.
Regrets, no wait, but aren't you fluent in?
I'm not.
I don't speak any other language, even elementary school level, but i can understand mandarin cantonese vietnamese, and chao zhou hua should have said that.
My god, Your interview skills were none.
I was like 14 or something at the time.
Yeah.
Crazy, wow.
So with that, i also wanted to be like an actress, like i wanted to be on disney channel so badly.
Like brenda's song was like everything yeah, like the only asian face that you would see.
And i remember at the time um, they used to scout you at the mall, yeah.
So i got scouted and i was so excited and they're like okay, we're gonna have you come in.
So i came in with my parents and then they were like okay, so what we're gonna have you do is um, how old were you?
I had to have been in middle school okay yeah, they were like okay, so pretend you're on a starburst commercial.
How would you sell the starburst?
And i just like had to Yeah, improv.
Improv, yeah.
And then after that they were like okay, we would love to have her or whatever, but it costs money to be a part of this program.
And so then my parents were like, oh, this is just a scam.
It's just to get young kids who want this.
And who knows, right?
I don't know.
Were they actually a rep from Disney or...
Was it like an agency?
I have no idea.
Yeah, I have no idea.
I was so young.
Yeah.
But I'm even surprised my parents took me to an audition.
No, but I think it's what you wanted.
Yeah.
So Yeah, like we know enough about the industry, but we don't know that much to know whether that would have been a thing or not.
No, but the thing is like i have thought about both of these things.
You would have been famous.
I would have been famous yes, at a young age.
So i've thought about fame before being famous yes, And I just absolutely do not think if I became famous at a young age, it would have been terrible, terrible for my mental health.
It would have been like one of those child star, you know, from the 90s.
You would have shaved your head.
Shaved everything.
Just gone.
Yeah, because I absolutely did not have the support, the mental skills the like I had, like I desperately needed external validation and fame gives that to you right.
But we all know external validation is not real.
Yeah, so I, in some ways, I'm, like, I obviously don't sit around and I'm, like, oh.
I wish.
I could have been.
I could have been Ariana Grande, like, on Nickelodeon and then a pop star.
You could have, though.
But, like, no.
You guys have heard Viv sing.
One day she will grace us with her voice.
No, never.
Her singing voice.
No, but I think on the point of being famous and successful so young.
Yeah.
Can you think of one successful, famous young person who's mentally sane?
I think it's too hard to tell, right?
But I have heard stories where, like I think, it all depends on your relationship with your family and how much your family protects you.
And in a lot of these cases, these child stars come from families that maybe they're the ones supporting their family.
Or their parents leech onto them.
Yeah.
And so I think that's tough.
This is a little tangent, but what blows my mind is that when you look at the Disney, like it was called, like the Mickey Mouse Club,
I think it was a show in the 90s, maybe even the 80s.
The people who are on that show, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Leonardo DiCaprio, Ryan Gosling.
Insane.
They were all scouted from such a young age.
They've all been in the industry for this long.
That's crazy.
Yeah, it was different back then too.
There's probably some conspiracy behind there, but we're not and this isn't the podcast for that, not as of right now.
Okay, tell us about your method acting, your acting, which wasn't that far.
I still remember talking about that on the podcast actually, so i i think my mom i don't know why she did.
Okay, it's not bad.
She, my mom, no, my mom, my mom just would enroll me in different extracurricular classes.
I don't know if it's because she needed something for me to do or if it would just kind of like was interesting enough and that like she could also drop me off to school earlier.
Um, but in middle school, cause I, and okay.
So I came back to the States in fourth grade and fourth grade I did choir.
Um, Maybe fourth, fifth grade, I did choir.
And then when I got to middle school, I did drama productions and I did drill team, which is more like the dancing thing.
But I did I like did the flag.
And then in college, I did sports and speech and debate, which is kind of like drama.
Forgot what else.
I'm just blacking out.
It's been so long.
Okay.
So I think, like ever since I was young, because I was in choir and you like sing in front of people, because I was on drill team, when you're not, when it's not band season, you have dance team and you will go to Knott's Berry Farm or you go somewhere and you do performances and stuff too.
So then that was also like performance, like it's exhilarating, wow the lights, like it's so bright um, and there's also like the drama productions um, and throughout summer my mom would also enroll me in just like a local, like drama class and stuff too.
So i've always been in kind of that world warming yeah, sort of role.
Yeah, i've always been in that role and i grew up so like i grew up with a bunch of cousins and then every summer i We would all hang out together because I used to live in Taiwan.
But whenever we come back, we do like talent shows for the adults.
We'd like do skits.
We'd like practice and do all of these things.
And it was so much fun.
And I think because we did that, I did have aunts and uncles who knew people in entertainment in Asia.
And they're like, oh, Ro would actually be really good.
But I think, because they had the foresight, they're like no, we're not going to ruin this girl's life by bringing her into this like really dark world.
So in retrospect, i'm kind of like you should have just let me try.
No, i think it's going to be now.
No, but it's going back to like we would have.
I would have destroyed myself.
I think, like what i wanted to say when i was asking you about like, are there any child stars who are mentally sane?
Is i don't think i would have survived either.
Right, even with youtube.
Right, like i'm doing youtube now, but had i done it earlier?
I've, like i've been very vocal about like i just would not have been okay.
So there was that like little brush of like oh, i could have been.
And my aunt.
So i'm like oh, my god, you're so cute.
You look like this korean actress, blah blah blah.
So that was that.
When I got into high school, I kind of shot myself in the foot because I was like, I can't do this.
I was like, drama isn't cool.
It was like, sports is cool.
You decided.
So I decided for myself.
I chose my destiny.
So that was my inflection point of, nah.
So you did sports instead?
Yeah, I did volleyball, speech and debate and something.
Yeah.
ASV.
Yeah.
Student body.
Because you also have to pick, right?
Like you can do everything.
And then like if you're doing sports, I think it would have conflicted with like drama.
And then yeah, and then I see I had friends or I had peers who did drama, went to school with a BFA at USC.
There's no one around me who I went to school with who are famous.
And I get into school with a lot of people, right?
And I think that just goes to show like how hard, like how hard it is.
And now that I'm older and a lot of my girlfriends are in the entertainment world, it is so so, so hard to just catch a break.
Even if you've caught a break, even if you do get casted and if you do get a reoccurring role and you are lead in like a show, it could still be canceled.
And then it's just the waiting game again and again and again.
So I think the reason why I was thinking of like oh, an act I think it'd be interesting, is more because
I just wanted to try something new that was different from YouTube.
But now with child, I'm like, nah, I'm not going to pound the pavement.
I'm not going to go to auditions and hear a thousand no's.
You still can.
I still can.
Or or I can write my own script and produce and direct my own show and and have myself act in it, or just hire my friends who are so talented.
So I think that's kind of where my headspace is at now, where I think I'm also approaching it, not jaded right.
Because a lot of my friends who are in entertainment, it's like they've been in it for so long.
It's kind of like there's a right way to do things quote unquote right, according to like the industry standards, right.
Of like, you have to like, It's kind of like working in the entertainment world.
You have to start in the mailroom.
You have to start at the bottom.
You have to pound the pavement and go to all of these auditions and record a bunch of tapes and everything.
But I think, being an outsider who knows a little bit, but not too much, about the ins and outs of what it entails, it's easy for me to be just like oh, I'll just write my own thing.
Maybe it's actually really hard, but maybe it's actually not.
I don't know.
Yeah, but yeah, i think my i've kind of shifted that to be more of i'm gonna write my own script and just kind of see where it goes.
Director producer writer yeah screenwriter, because i'm not gonna make something mediocre, so it's at least gonna be good and we can just see where it goes yeah.
So is there any other career paths that are not performance?
Well, this other one it's very.
It's just not as fun, but I really wanted to be like a third grade teacher.
Oh, me too.
Me too.
I think I wanted a little younger though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wanted to be a teacher.
I wanted to be a teacher for a long time.
I love the arts and craftsy things and the little stars and the little.
I was like oh, it'll be so fun.
But now I'm like, no, I don't think I can.
Yeah. yeah i mean 20 plus kids in a classroom crazy sounds crazy now and then dealing with parents too okay so for me i had the the archaeology yeah oh my god i loved i took a geo something like a rock class at usc and i loved it like learning about plate tectonics i'm just kidding no like it was so fun like the different types of rocks yeah So there's that, there's the ocean, like a marine biologist, there's all of these.
Okay, so sorry, let me just break it down.
With the marine biology.
I just I don't know.
I think like a part of me knew that I didn't love it enough.
Like I love the ocean and all of that, but I just, it just sounded so scientific. like anything with the biology i think even um if you want to be a psychologist psychiatrist there's like a huge part where you have to learn about the brain and like the human body right and i was just like oh my god i don't want i don't want to deal with that um so i didn't really go far with that with an archaeologist i realized to find a fossil um a dino fossil or like an Egyptian mummy.
It's like a once in a lifetime thing where little old me is not going to be set on those expeditions.
So I was like, okay, I'm not going to do that.
Little old me.
And then, yeah.
And another thing I want to do was like event planning.
That was actually my like senior year of high school.
You did that, a little bit of that, right?
Yeah, I think I tried wedding planning in college.
I hated it.
There's too much emotions.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, now that we've gone through the wedding season.
Yeah, it's too much.
Yeah.
But then I was like oh, if I just did business instead of pigeonholing myself in event planning, maybe.
There's so many different categories that you can do.
And then if a planning is like a skill, it doesn't need to be my career.
Yeah.
And boy, am I glad I had that foresight.
I don't see you as a wedding planner.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I see you with the vision of the event, but not the actual coordination of it.
That's my husband.
No, it is.
He's great at it.
Yeah.
So that I think those are all of my lives, like the things that I've seriously thought about.
Yeah.
I wanted to be like a software engineer for a hot second.
Really?
This is one of the things I tried.
I tried like a coding class or I tried coding my own website, when I took like six months off to figure out my life after graduating.
My mind exploded.
I was like, I don't understand this language.
It never will.
I feel like I'm a robot and I can't think like a robot.
So that was that.
Yeah.
Yeah, there are some things where I'm like, my brain doesn't work that way.
It doesn't click at all.
Anything science related for me.
Yeah.
I think for me, so besides being a singer, which is what I wanted to be the most, like growing up.
Up until?
Yeah.
That was like my like six years old, seven years old, eight years old, like really young.
I wanted to be a singer.
And then, like when I got a little older and I did you know these auditions where I didn't even pass the first round, I was like oh, you're a loser.
Like you suck.
So it wasn't because of your skills.
And then YouTube was around in high school.
Yeah.
So I like really wanted to.
People were doing covers and I was like oh my God, I can totally do this.
I can totally find someone to play the guitar for me and I can do a cover.
And I was way too shy to ever upload my face onto YouTube, which is funny now, because my face is On the YouTubes.
But yeah.
So I remember at the time thinking like what if I just sang and my face wasn't on the video?
But again, this was a long time ago.
You could have been Justin Bieber.
Girl.
I could have been Justin Bieber.
Scooter Braun could have scouted you.
I could have been headlining at Coachella 2026.
You could have been you could have been a surprise guest that you brought on missed opportunities.
So, besides the singing and the acting, I think I would Being a therapist was something that I considered.
And I've been told by people that they think I would be a good therapist too.
But I think for me, I would actually still explore that a little bit later on in life.
I think, because I look so young a part of me.
I would only want to work with people who are younger than me.
And so yeah, that that was like something that i've thought about or like considered a life.
Just put on glasses, dye my hair.
Um, consider later in life.
Yeah, maybe in like my 40s or 50s, i would consider it.
Oh, i can actually see you thriving, Yeah.
And it's like one on one over time, very meaningful things that like I feel strongly about.
So that's like something that maybe in 10 years we'll find out. okay we'll find out um therapy and then i don't i don't have any crazy like not crazy but like like diving with sharks holding my breath fighting fossils those sound extreme to me oh and then photographer oh yeah yeah especially after um so i did two photo shoots this year for like kind of engagement photo shoot and then like wedding photo shoot.
And I was like, I could take photos of people.
Like I, what if I pursued that?
Cause I used to take so many photos of like friends and stuff.
And I've had a camera since my first camera I had when I was in third grade.
Um, so yeah, I was like dang, what if I just did photography on the side and I'm paying a lot for this little 30 minute photo shoot?
Like it's so crazy.
So yeah, photography was another one, but I think another thing is like I never pursued anything that felt unsafe because it was just it felt like not an option.
Like, how do you even begin to be like, I want to discover fossils forever.
It is my life purpose.
I want to find dinosaur bones, you know, like.
And then like, where does the money come from?
Like, how do you get paid?
And like, when you go find sharks, like what if i die, she gets sponsorships because she has she blew up on social media.
Oh yeah yeah crazy yeah, so my mind just never went to anything that felt risky.
Yeah, so in another life, in another life, maybe we're living those lives right now in a different dimension.
Okay now now, the question is as of right now.
Okay, If it were another inflection point and you can choose to do anything in the next 10 years, what would you start today?
Or would you change anything?
I'm too tired.
I'm too tired to pursue anything else right now.
All I want is to enjoy my life.
And that's fair.
I don't want to try that hard and that's very valid.
Like i literally go to work every day and i'm like i just don't want to work anymore.
I just want money to come into the bank and i for me to just live.
I just want to exist.
I want to be in the ceramic studio.
I want to spend time with my friend.
Oh, i want to like yeah, a ceramicist.
Yeah,
An artist.
I thought about that last year.
I was like, what if I just quit my job?
I think about quitting my job all the time.
We could talk about this in another episode.
I was like, but do we want to?
But we will not quit our jobs.
We will not be doing that, you know, because benefits long-term security, all these other things in life.
But yeah.
Yeah.
The therapist one is actually something that is doable and like could happen in 10 years.
But like anything else outside of my normal comfort zone, it has to be a side project, a hobby.
Because I still need security at the end of the day.
Well, hopefully in the next year or two, voice hugs can be that.
Yes, please.
We've been talking about this for the past, since we launched.
This is a labor of love.
This is still a labor of love.
Yeah.
Speaking of one thing that James brought up, and then maybe this is something our listeners are experiencing too, and then we just need to change in the back end.
But he's like every time when we talk about something really serious And like one of us will be in the middle.
No, no, no.
One of us will be in the middle.
And it's, Toyota is having a da-da-da-da-da.
Oh, no.
Like that.
So maybe you guys are experiencing, too.
We will see what we can do.
Because it's just automatic.
Yeah, it's automatic.
It's just automatically inserted.
But, yeah, we will try to be more mindful.
Because James is like, it was getting so juicy.
I was raging and...
And then like an ad plays.
And we're like, and this was what I read.
That is so funny.
Let us know.
When do you hear our automatic ads?
Yeah, we will try to change it.
Or we can try to bunch it in the beginning and the end.
And then just don't put any in the middle or something.
Thank you, Toyota.
So nothing?
Nothing what?
Nothing you would like to project, you would like to manifest for 10 years from now.
Another thing that I really, really want to experience in this lifetime is being a grandmother. i want to be a grandmother to like like a child not like a baby yeah you know and sometimes like you don't get to live to like or your kids don't have kids yeah but like i've dreamt of being a grandmother yeah like me and warry specifically as grandparents is like a whole other level we'll get on it yeah i know oh my god that's so cute yeah like i want to Like if they go to college and I get to see them go off to college, I want to send them like care packages and make them cookies.
So not even your own kids, your grandkids.
My grandkids.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's so crazy, right?
Obviously, I would do that.
I think, would not do that for my own children, but i will do it for my grandchildren.
No, i don't know.
There's something about, i think, also being in that time of your life yeah, as a an elder yeah, it just feels different.
I think i'm gonna feel different as a elderly person, oh yeah.
But when you're a parent, you're just still trying to figure it out.
Yeah, that's true, like worried about your kids yeah, versus your grandkids, you just want to love on them.
Yeah, and you can.
And you don't have to take care of them around the clock.
Yeah.
Okay, so what I'm hearing is you may potentially become a ceramicist.
You may potentially become a therapist.
You may potentially start your own photography business.
Would you?
Yeah.
You can take photos of your ceramics.
Yeah.
You will eventually be a grandma.
Yeah, eventually.
And you just want a deep girl rest.
Yes.
You just want to... For the rest of my life.
You just want to take the checks.
Yeah.
And live your life and be horizontal.
I'm not trying to change the world here.
Okay.
I'm trying to change one relationship at a time in my life.
Okay.
That's the difference I want to make.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very self-aware.
Being realistic, you know?
And yourself?
I think I'm finally at a point in my life where I'm doing things for the fun of it again.
I think by being a creator on YouTube for 10 years now, actually for 10 years now.
It'll be 10 years this summer.
Obviously, I haven't been posting as frequently the past two, three years.
But I think it's mostly because you stop creating for fun and you start creating for something new which is like the algorithm or like sponsorships or whatever or what you think the viewers want, rather than when you first start something, it's like fresh and new and it's coming from your heart and you're just genuinely excited.
So one thing I've been doing that I just told Viv about before this was I started vibe coding.
Vibe coding is basically...
It's like with AI.
There's these new apps or these new websites where you can literally just give it a prompt.
Like you're talking to chat GPT, like build me an app that does this.
And it will literally within seconds build you what you want.
Scary.
Yeah.
So then I'm not going to share.
Well, can I share? uh no i'm not gonna share yet i'm not gonna share yet um but i started vibe coding something that's really fun i've been thinking about starting a kdrama account or i've been thinking about doing more kdrama content in general but it just never felt right to post it on my main thing because i didn't want my whole personality to just be kdrama so i'm gonna start a kdrama account on instagram and i already filmed three videos they're all ready to be posted oh my god i'm probably gonna post it like on monday or something i'm just gonna start i'm And so there's just things that I've been wanting to do that I don't know.
When you're in a funk for so long or when you're in a funk, I think you need time to not do anything so that you can decompress, so that you can clear your mind fully and thoroughly. so that you can start filling it with things again yeah and so i think now i'm in a stage where i'm like oh like this is interesting this is interesting this is interesting and james is like yeah you went from doing nothing to doing like 50 things and he's like i'm so proud of you i'm so excited for you but i'm a little overwhelmed because who's gonna take care of our child but in the foreseeable future i'm still gonna be mom i'm always gonna be mommy but there's just but okay the crazy thing is i'm building this app at night in like 15 minutes like i put in bed yeah i put potato down i'm just on my phone like and this thing is being built it's crazy and it's beautiful and it's fun and so exciting i feel like you've always been the type of person to like jump on things sooner than the rest of the peeps in the world yeah and i'm just so curious like what you can do with ai now yeah yeah i used to be such a non-believer i was like ai is gonna ruin everything no i'm like ai is the future obviously it's more nuanced than that and there's conversations to be had and the impact on the environment everything but i think this is just it's the reality of what we're living in yeah and i will to be fair thank you um i'm not like the earliest adopter but i'm like within like earlier than me that's for sure 20 percent maybe yeah i'm like at the very end i'm like okay everyone else is doing it like instagram i didn't join when everyone joined i joined a little later i'm like what is this yeah anyway so that's uh where where does that lead me vibe coder um well it's vibe coding is just something you do um i don't know where that leads me but there's all of that that i just said there's obviously still like the content that i'm gonna create and then maybe like writing more and then maybe become like a newsletter and then maybe a script for a movie or a show so then there's just all of these things combined okay we're gonna have to play this episode 10 years from now and see what happens director of the year just kidding writer of the year deep girl resting yes in full deep girl yes I'll have Shalmela Ding Dong play the lead role.
What?
To me.
To me, Shalmela Ding Dong.
It's funny.
Okay.
Okay.
Amazing.
Would love to know in another life, what would you have become?
Yeah.
Done.
Yeah.
Maybe even in this lifetime.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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