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Hello hello dear listener and welcome into IELTS speaking part 3.
We're gonna be talking about traveling and tourism.
I love to travel! Rory here is an avid traveler and a tourist. Oh, actually, Rory, are you a traveler or are you a tourist?
I am 100 % a traveller.
And indeed, we are recording this episode beforehand, but when people are listening to it, I will be travelling around Kyrgyzstan.
I am very excited about this.
It's going to be amazing.
What's the importance of the travel and tourism industry?
Oh wow, I mean, that's highly dependent on the country, I suppose.
If your economy is largely service based and focused on selling the history and culture of where you live, then it would be vital to have a well -developed tourists sector.
It's not only about money though.
People, tourism could also be crucial for preserving and exporting your culture since the more people you get to see it, the more aware people are or people become of it.
And so they might be more likely to take an interest. What do you think is the function of tourist guides?
Well, literally to guide tourists, but to be less pedantic about it they should ideally channel the culture and refine the experience for guests in a country to make things more comprehensible and highlight features they've never considered.
For example, in my country there are many obscure cultural practices and places that only someone with in -depth knowledge of those places might know about and be able to bring to light.
Is reading a good way to get to know other countries?
Well, it's a good start at least but it's not the be -all and end -all, you can learn facts, understand stories and national myths and of course look at the pictures of the places there, but it's important to remember these are real living places and almost nothing holds a candle to standing in the place and experiencing the atmosphere for yourself if can.
I think that has a whole other layer of reality on top of all those supporting aspects that you get from reading.
How do people get information about other countries?
Yeah well we already talked about reading um but there's also talking and listening to consider um being able to get knowledge of a place from people who have been there or who live there can make the information more tangible, plus you can ask people questions.
You can't really do that a book, although maybe in the age of AI that will change as the potential for interactivity grows.
How does travelling abroad affect young people?
I mean, the romantic ideal is that it gives them perspective on how other people live and other ways of living but obviously not all young people are in possession of the ability or desire to do that.
It could at least give them some experience of independence and planning their lives though, which could be useful for the future.
What do you think of national identity?
Well that's kind of a double -edged sword really, since on the one hand it can be used to generate national cohesion through a common set of values and ideals, but on the other hand it creates this in -group, and then by default out -group, concept.
And that sort of thinking can lead you down a very dark path when it comes to deciding who the heroes and villains are in the national story.
Is it important to have national identity?
Well on a practical level yes, because how are you supposed to travel without documentation that proves that you're someone coming from the outside into a country.
So it works from that practical and I suppose administrative perspective as well.
And how can people develop national identity?
Oh gosh, well the sky is pretty much the limit isn't it?
Because there's this idea of the national story or struggle, where it struggles to emerge.
So war tends to play a factor in this development of a national identity.
And then once that's been established, it's consolidated further by the creation or highlighting of various figures and texts.
So national poets are a big feature.
National authors as well are also used in this manner.
That's just a few examples though, because of course all the people that live in a country contribute to the national identity in some way, even if it's just by living the values that have been dictated by the wider culture.
Thank you, Rory, for your answers.
Oh that's ok, talking about nationalism is fun, isn't it?
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See you soon! Right dear listener, some questions could be about national identity, so if you have zero knowledge what national identity is, could you please read about it in your mother tongue, in your native language.
So just to be in the know or talk to me because I studied political science.
Oh look at you, educated native speaker, study listener, like read in your native language, okay.
What national identity is, how to develop it, like you need a couple of ideas.
Also it's useful for essays.
Tourism is nicer to talk about though.
The economy of a country could be service -based.
So, people in this country sell their history, their culture, and depend on tourism.
So, their economy is service -based.
They sell different services.
And in this case it is vital, it's super important to have a well -developed tourist sector.
So, we can say, the tourism industry or tourist sector, which should be well developed.
Don't forget to paraphrase.
If the examiner asks you what's the importance of or how important something is, you say it's vital or it's crucial or it's essential to do something.
Or it is of great import.
That's super fancy though.
Tourism could also be crucial for preserving culture.
Although it could just as well play a role in its erosion as well.
Yeah, tourism could destroy or preserve culture.
For example in northern Iraq or Kurdistan depending on how you view it, there's the oldest continuously inhabited human settlement in the world.
People have been living there for something like 6 ,000 years.
And it's covered in graffiti.
So, all people have gone there and they have...
Some people say they vandalized it.
To be honest with you, I think they've actually contributed to it, but I can see both sides of this argument.
I like graffiti though.
Yeah, especially on ancient walls.
Modern art, ancient art.
Well, in the ruins of Pompeii, archaeologists have been studying the ancient graffiti there to learn more about the social norms of the time.
So I wonder if in a few thousand years they'll be doing the same thing with this building.
If you visit a place, you may have a guide.
So we call these people tourist guides.
They tell you different things about history.
They make you bored to death.
If they don't do their job properly, yeah, what's usually you know they can oh come on not interested yeah you need to be fun so tourist guides guide tourists okay they provide some guidance to tourists they make things more comprehensible for people well usually Comprehensible so you can understand the history, the culture, better.
So, if I make something comprehensible, I make you completely understand something.
Comprehend. And usually, tourist guides have in -depth knowledge of these places.
So, they know stuff.
Well, hopefully. And they might bring light to certain places.
So you go to the country, you have zero knowledge of what's going on, and tourist guides bring light to it.
Reading is a good start, but it's not the be all and end all.
Yay! I've used it again.
I couldn't help myself.
Yeah... it's not the most important thing, but the listener.
You should use an idiom only once in your speaking test. So if you use...
it's not the be all and end all in speaking part 2 and also you use it again in speaking part 3...
No, no, no, no. Do not use any idiom twice, the listener.
Only once. Because it's gonna be very strange the examiner will not be impressed they will look at you like huh what you are saying this for the second time get some originality yeah Rory is using this idiom to show you how it can be used yes the transfer yeah so you can say like reading is a good start but it's not the most important thing it's It's not the be all and end all.
Nothing holds a candle!
No, Rory, what's, what's, what's talking about?
Nothing holds a candle to.
Nothing compares to something.
Really? Yeah, if something doesn't hold a candle to something, it's like, it's not even close to the experience.
We need an example.
Well, erm, watching videos of rock climbing doesn't hold a candle to the actual experience of rock climbing, you don't get the same thrill or you don't learn to work out how to climb up things in the same way, in my opinion.
Yeah, so watch, or what do you say, mountain climbing.
Uh, well, climbing, wall climbing, rock climbing, any kind of climbing will not be the same on videos as in real life.
So you do climbing yourself or you watch climbing so these two activities are different and doing climbing yourself is not as good as watching how other people do climbing.
So we say that it can't hold a candle to it.
So watching it can't hold a candle to actually doing it.
So reading can't hold a candle to actually being in a place, experiencing the atmosphere of the place yourself.
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If we make the information more tangible, the information becomes like a little bit more real to us.
For example, you want to go to Peru.
You talk to me. I've been to Peru, you know, for about two months.
I went to buy a picture on foot for about a week in the mountains with my legs, and I tell you stories, and the information becomes more tangible, real, not imaginary.
And tangible is I see two words.
Yeah, super cool! We have tangible benefits, so we have tangible evidence, tangible information.
Traveling abroad affects young people, ok, or it influences or it makes or it has an influence on people.
Maybe. I'm not so sure about that.
You can say that traveling gives young people a perspective on how other people live.
So a perspective like of you, an idea of how other people live and then Rory you've used the word possession so like not all people want to do that so not all people are in possession or not all people can i mean all young people some young people are much wilder and more dysregulated than others so pretty much like not so all people can can travel abroad or not all young people are in possession of the ability.
They don't have the ability to go abroad.
And then the listener's national identity.
Ruya, what's the national identity in two words, for our listener, who doesn't understand what national identity is?
A complete pain. You can't describe it in two words.
It's a pain for me to talk about because… Yes, you can.
it was well what do I what what you mean national identity is well in a sentence it just describes how you feel about where you come from but that doesn't help so he national identity is a person's identity or sense of belonging to one or more states or nations, the listener, okay, so if you feel that for example you were born in Peru, so if you feel Peruvian you belong to this country, so you have this national identity as a Peruvian from Peru, yeah, there you go.
But Rory says that it's a double -edged sword, a very good idiom, So if something is a double -edged sword, something has...
Positive and negative features.
Exactly, yeah. Two features.
So on the one hand it's good.
On the other, is not good.
So something negative and something positive.
For example, fame, being famous, can be a double -edged sword. It's good and bad at the same time.
Like artificial intelligence is a double -edged sword and then you explain the call the one hands It's this and on the other hand, it's that yeah, like it's good to have a set of values ideals and Belong to one country or to several countries, but on the other hand people can be divided people can be like enemies to each other.
You don't belong to my country so you are an enemy, for example.
So, people can view this situation like this, or may not.
And how can we develop national identity?
Literature helps, famous people help, different texts like architecture, culture, they also help.
And now, Rory's the vocabulary show.
Yes it's the part of the show where I ask Maria questions about the vocabulary I used in the episode.
You can follow along and try and beat Maria.
So, Maria, the first question was about the importance of travel and the tourism industry and I said that tourism was important but I didn't say it's important I used a different word. Crucial, it's crucial.
Then we talked about what tourist guides are for and I suggested some of the things that they could be helpful for, including highlighting some strange things that people do in my country, but I didn't say strange things people do.
I used a slightly more, well, a very more advanced term for this.
obscure cultural practices.
So obscure. Strange.
Then we talked about reading and getting to know countries and I said that they don't really compare to each other.
The idea of reading and actually being in a country, but I didn't say they don't compare to each other.
I said something else.
Nothing holds a candle to it.
Yes. Excellent so far.
And we talked about how people could get information about countries and I said it makes the information more real if you are standing in the place, but I didn't say it makes it more real.
What did I say? The information becomes more tangible.
Yes. Excellent. Then we talked about the effects that traveling could have on young people and I said that there's this idea that people think is true but is probably not in reality.
But I didn't say that.
What did I say? The romantic ideal.
Excellent! Then Maria asked me what I thought of national identity.
And I used an expression to say that it's got both positive and negative features.
But what was that? It's a double edged sword. Nice, 100 % Maria.
Well done! There is no bonus question.
The bonus is not talking about nationalism because I just don't want to talk about that subject.
Well yeah dear listener but national identity could be in speaking questions.
It could also be a part of your writing in IELTS essays.
So read about it and be neutral.
Be neutral like be nice be polite politically correct.
Okay so we are like we are soft and cuddly dear listener towards the examiner okay.
we don't know what's in there in the examiners head so be nice and polite thank you very much for listening we'll get back to you in our next episode bye with the venmo debit card you can turn the mini golf outing your co -workers paid you back for What's the importance of the travel and tourism industry?
Oh wow, I mean that's highly dependent on the country I suppose.
If your economy is largely service based and focused on selling the history and culture of where you live then it will be vital to have a well developed tourist sector.
It's not only about money though, it's about how tourism could be crucial for preserving and exporting your culture since the more people you get to see it, the more aware people are or people become of it and so they might be more likely to take an interest. What do you think is the function of tourist guides?
Well, literally to guide tourists, but to be less pedantic about it, they should ideally channel the culture and refine the experience for guests in a country to make things more comprehensible and highlight features they've never considered.
For example, in my country there are many obscure cultural practices and places that only someone with in -depth knowledge of those places might know about and be able to bring light.
Is reading a good way to get to know other countries?
Well it's a good start at least but it's not the be all and end all you can learn facts, understand stories and national myths, and of course look at the pictures of the places there.
But it's important to remember these are real living places and almost nothing holds a candle to standing in the place and experiencing the atmosphere for yourself if you can.
I think that adds a whole other layer of reality on top of all those, uh, supporting aspects that you get from reading.
How do people get information about other countries?
Yeah, well we already talked about reading.
Um, but there's also talking and listening to consider.
Being able to get knowledge of a place from people who have been there or who live there can make the information more tangible.
Plus you can ask people questions, you can't really do that with a book.
Although maybe, in the age of AI, that will change as the potential for interactivity grows.
How does travelling abroad affect young people?
Well I mean, the romantic ideal is that it gives them perspective on how other people live and other ways of living, but obviously not all young people are in possession of the ability or desire to do that.
It could at least give them some experience of independence and planning their lives though, which could be useful for the future.
What do you think of national identity?
Well that's kind of a double edged sword really, since on the one hand it can be used to generate national cohesion through a common set of values and ideals, but on the other hand it creates this in -group and then by default out -group concept and that sort of thinking can lead you down a very dark path when it comes to deciding who the heroes and villains are in a national story.
Is it important to have national identity?
Well on a practical level yes, because how were you supposed to travel without documentation that proves that you're someone coming from the outside into a country?
So it works from that practical and I suppose administrative perspective as well.
And how can people develop national identity?
Oh gosh, well the sky is pretty much the limit, isn't it?
Because there's this idea of the national story or struggle where it struggles to emerge so war tends to play a factor in this development of a national identity.
And then once that's been established it's consolidated further by the creation or highlighting of various figures and texts, so national poets are a big feature, national authors as well are also used in this manner.
That's just a few examples though because of course all the people that live in a country contribute to the national identity in some way, even if it's just by living the values that have been dictated by the wider culture.
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