Hey everyone, here we are for another episode of Dear Headspace, and today I am joined by Dora and we have Shula jumping in with us as well today.
She's a coach here at Headspace and we are going to be answering your questions about when you start dating and you have obsessive thoughts, how to let go of material possessions.
And we have a question about dealing with an online friend who distanced themselves.
So don't go anywhere.
We're going to start in just a moment.
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Okay, you guys, how are you?
We got a powerhouse combo right here.
Feeling good, feeling great.
That was like the chillest woo.
I loved it.
I'm not going to lie.
I ran 13 miles yesterday supporting some girls that have been running the L.A.
Marathon.
So I didn't really think that it would be that intense.
But I'm definitely that woo woo was coming from the deepest part of my soul.
That was coming from your tired legs.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, I went for a two and a half hour walk yesterday.
Now quite 13 hours run, but I'm feeling good.
Spring is springing and I'm kind of inspired, Dora.
I feel like I'm going to go for a little run after this.
I am not inspired to do that, but I am inspired by both of you.
All right everybody, let's just dive right into our first question about dating and obsessive thoughts from AV.
Hi there, Headspace.
My name is Amy and I'm from China.
Recently, I have so many obsessive thoughts about a person.
I feel like my college life is disturbed and I'm out of control of my emotions and thoughts.
The person is on my mind all the time.
Even when I'm dancing or studying, I try to distract myself from thinking about them, but it doesn't work out.
So my question is do you have any advice for dating for the first time?
Or be mindful of what I'm doing and controlling those intense feelings.
Thank you so much.
I really love your headspace.
Oh, Amy, first of all, thank you for listening.
It's so nice to know that we're connecting out there with folks.
But thank you for this question and for kind of letting us in on this.
It's, you know, new relationships are a big thing.
So we just appreciate you trusting us with your question.
Well, first of all, do I give advice on something I'm still struggling with?
Yes, you do.
Especially then.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm a I wouldn't say obsessive.
But when I like someone, I'm definitely a certified lover girl.
So I really love this question.
And I think a lot of people can relate, because you know, especially if you're new to dating, I didn't really grow up with any like manual on how to do it or how to relate to other people.
And I think this is such a wonderful way to bring your mindfulness practice into the way that you relate to people in your relationships, whether they're romantic or platonic, of just noticing what's going on in that moment.
And I think this listener Avie shared about being aware of how it's disrupting her life and how she's finding it hard to stay focused.
And I think that's always that first key that I would share with someone is just to be aware of what is going on.
Okay.
There are these obsessive thoughts.
There is this, maybe spiraling, the constant thinking about the rumination and just noticing in that moment, like what is it that I'm needing when you notice that you are being obsessive?
For me, I know I just need like maybe validation or I'm searching for some type of connection.
It's really exciting.
And I'm like all in.
And it's really been a practice for me to stay present and to recognize those thoughts but also recognize the present moment and the fact that that person- isn't there.
And maybe I'm fantasizing.
I'm real good at fantasizing, but just trying my best to be in the moment with my thoughts and my sensations and emotions.
Yeah.
It can be so hard because it's so intoxicating in the beginning, when you're just thinking about the person all the time and just, you know, wondering what they're up to.
Are they thinking about you?
And is it going to go the way you want it to go?
And like all the things that I'm starting to think about.
Ava's question, like it makes me wonder like There's not a lot of detail from Avey about like how is it a solid relationship?
Because I think that there's a lot of distinctions to be made in here.
Is it a healthy relationship?
Is it getting in the way of your day-to-day life?
I mean, obviously she's expressing that it is in some ways. kind of getting in there.
So I'm curious about that.
Yeah, I was thinking the same.
When she asked the question, I was wondering, where are you in this relationship?
And a lot of times at the beginning of a relationship, we experience this phenomenon called limerence.
And limerence is this feeling of just thinking about the person all the time.
And what are the potentials of the relationships?
And you're really swept up in the emotion of what you can be.
You're really just not being present, right.
Which is what, you know, we're talking about here, really, how to regain presence.
Well, and there can be so many insecurities in the beginning of relationships because there's there's all these like societal constructs around relationship about what's too soon to say.
Do you like me?
Are you seeing other people?
Are we like all those like, I'm having like, just horrible flashbacks to my 20s.
They're like, oh, It's like, you know, there's all those.
I guess my question to you two is.
Avia is saying that she's new into the dating world and that this relationship is new.
Like.
So how, how does she or anyone listening be more present and enjoy the relationship for what it is in that moment?
I think for me it's been a lot of practice of reminding myself that I don't because I will do this in relation to something that I've been working on is like Leaving myself for somebody else.
You know what I mean?
And so leaving who I am and like wanting to fully merge with somebody else.
And that can be really harmful because you're not maybe not seeing that person for who they are.
But again, that feeling of like first time romance, love, it's exciting.
It feels good.
But then you kind of forget about yourself in that process.
And I think it's so important to identify values that you have for yourself.
Like if you're in a relationship, what are the values that you want that relationship to reflect?
It's appreciation or you want to feel safe or you want to feel good about yourself.
You want to have fun, but identifying some values that you can use as like, a guidance or a map, so that when you are relating to other people and you do notice that maybe you're leaving yourself for somebody else.
You can come back to, okay, I'm remembering like in this moment that I want to feel safe.
And I know that if I'm not fully present within myself and I merge with somebody else, that doesn't really feel safe for me in that moment.
So I always like to write down values and something else that I do.
It's just like a dream board of, like you know, my relationship that I desire, looks and feels like this with this type of person and we do these types of things.
But really giving myself something that I can reflect on and look at and like, keep at the forefront of my mind so I don't get lost in the frenzy of falling in love, which is so great.
But yeah, it can really.
Yeah, it's hard healing from heartbreak when you throw yourself in like that.
Because it's like there's nothing worse than being with people and not being with them.
I love that she said, you know, when I'm dancing and it was like that was such a visual word.
And I thought it was a choice like to be dancing and to not be present to the music, to not be present to the people you're dancing with because you're thinking about someone else.
It's like that, that might be a great moment to try to bring yourself back when she's dancing.
That's a perfect moment to engage the five senses right.
Like, what am I hearing?
You know, feeling the ground or my body, you know, against the floor, you know, feeling your skin.
That's a perfect moment to actually if she notices that she's doing this while she's dancing, engaging the senses, there would be an incredible opportunity.
Yeah.
And I think, I mean, obviously I'm biased, but this is the power of the practice.
Like, even though I do still have those obsessive thoughts, it's like now I'm able to notice when they're happening and I'm able to cultivate a more skillful response to them.
So maybe I won't send that text right away or send a bunch of texts right away.
Or I know, maybe to do a body scan or to sit or to take a deep breath or to go outside, or something I've been really intentional about in the last two years is cultivate sisterhood and be around friends.
Because again, when you form a relationship with someone, it's so easy to just disappear.
And I found that having sisterhood or friendship in my life it allows me to see both things on the same playing field.
So a relationship, romantic relationship, isn't higher than having friends around me.
And in fact, you can use how you show up in friendships and platonic relationships as like a way to guide how you show up in your romantic partners.
Cause it's really just about how do you relate to people?
And so I noticed okay, I'm clinging on to this person or I'm really avoided, and I struggled to show compassion for my mom.
I'm like that's something I can work on before I get in a relationship with somebody else you know.
So, even if you're listening to this and you're not struggling with romantic relationships, this can be extended to all relationships, because how we do one thing, I think, is how we do all things.
And so these obsessive thoughts may show up in so many other areas of your life as well.
And it may not just be romantic relationships, but I think having that practice of just noticing and witnessing and observing your mind and, You know, befriending yourself in those moments is so powerful and it can have such a transformative impact on the way that you relate to others.
Amazing.
Well, we wish you luck out there, Avie.
And also, I don't know, I think we're sending you being in the present moments.
We're sending you some of that as well.
Yes, absolutely.
I didn't want to say I didn't say there's a manual for this, but a really great book I have been reading is called If the Buddha Dated.
And it talks about mindfulness and meditation when it comes to romantic relationships.
And the other one that I have been reading is Five Mindful Keys for a Loving Relationship.
And the author is called David Rico or Rico, R-I-C-H-O.
So, no, there aren't any manuals, but there are good books.
Highly recommend.
All right.
Thank you so much for your question, Aimee.
All right, let's move on to our next question from Marie.
Hello, my name is Marie.
I'm from Canada.
I have a question on letting go of material stuff.
I have a daily meditation practice and I found out that letting go of the material possessions is a little easier, but still hard at times for me.
So I would like to hear you guys.
Do you have any additional tips on helping with this issue?
Thank you.
Now I'm not saying I picked this question because I'm currently trying to shop less on Amazon, but I may have picked this question because I'm currently trying to shop less on Amazon.
What do you think?
Hey, I mean, I'm on three months of not using Amazon this year.
I haven't used it since last in December.
And it was after watching a documentary on minimalism.
And I was like, oh, yeah, I really, really, really resonate with this because I have so much stuff.
And I've been realizing how my mind like, okay, books is such a great example.
Like, when I'm searching for an answer in my life, I'll buy like so many books.
I'm just like searching for all the different answers in books and novels.
And I was just like, how did I, I haven't read probably 80% of the books that are in my house.
And I'm like and I'm just getting so lost and trying to like find an answer from this author and that story and this place and that place.
And I'm like I know if I sit, I don't know if the answer will come, but I'll probably experience a greater sense of peace than searching on Amazon, reading the book, not finding the answer, searching for another book.
So I just wanted to say I am no longer on Amazon Prime.
And yeah, stuff is it's nice.
It provides a sense of comfort.
But sometimes that comfort is built on sandy ground, a sandy foundation.
And I think in this day and age, having things and consumerism and Consuming so much content and information to go against the grain is so challenging.
Well, and it's bigger and faster and cheaper than ever before.
Like you used to have to.
I mean maybe not necessarily cheaper, since I just bought 10 worth of cereal the other day.
But like I used to have to go to stores to get things.
I'd have to drive and be like, let me try that sporting goods store.
And then you drive over there.
And then it's like now I can comparison shop and price.
And the line between need and want becomes very blurry.
Yeah.
And it's something comforting.
Like when things feel out of control, you can just like press the button and something will arrive.
Meanwhile, you're struggling with other issues in your life with no resolution.
But Amazon always has a resolution, you know, it seems.
With reviews.
Yes.
Yeah, with reviews.
Yeah.
But you know, the experience of having some barriers to kind of consumption and to accumulating stuff is have become, you know, very weak.
Well, you know, we're looking at the very initial part of it, which is just the consumerism of it and the buying.
But, like Marie's question is, I think, a little deeper, like she's talking more on the need and the want.
So like, what are your thoughts on that level of the question?
Yeah, we did an episode.
I think.
I don't know what the episode, what number it was, but we did it on mindful spending.
And one of the things that have been really helpful for me is just asking, like, do I need it?
Do I want it?
Do I like it?
Do I love it?
And I've actually had to start like I'll save things into a shopping cart and I'll let them sit there.
And if I forget about it after a week, I'm like, I don't need this thing.
It was just like in the moment, adrenaline rush, like, yeah.
I do need an electric can opener.
I don't.
And then I just let it go because I'm like, I actually don't I don't need this thing.
And I'm very familiar with the feelings in my body when I'm like.
I can feel that rush and like that desire of like, wanting to impulsively buy something.
And so my practice has just been being with that sensation.
I know what it feels like.
My heart starts to race.
I get the butterflies.
And I'm like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, looking for something.
And I have to like, it feels like I'm pulling myself out of molasses.
But I do it and I just take a moment and I'm like, Dora, save this.
If you need it, you'll come back to it.
And it's been really, really helpful because it's so fast.
Like it's just so fast and rapid of buying things.
As you said, like Kindle on Amazon Prime, it's just one click and it's in your device.
Yeah.
I was reading a really great quote the other day when I was working on some everyday headspace stuff.
And the quote was talking about how often we think that we need to get rid of all of our things to live a more peaceful life.
And that is true.
But sometimes it's really just how our mind is relating to our environment.
And it may just be how busy our mind is that we feel like we have so much stuff.
But it's like it's just reflecting to us the state of our mind, rather than like our home and our environment.
And so it's you may get rid of all your things and still feel like you have too much stuff.
You know what I mean?
And then it's like oh, maybe this is a practice of sitting with myself and understanding what's really going on in my own mind.
That could be What I'm trying to get rid of.
Right.
So even now that I've been like getting rid of things in my home, I'm like yeah, I still feel satisfied.
But like, you know, and I'm like, oh, yeah, it probably isn't the things.
It's probably this, this thing that is with me all of the time, that can be ruminating and spiraling and searching, and
All these different things.
And so again, the practice, that practice of just understanding the patterns and the themes and the movements of your mind can be really helpful as well.
Yeah.
Sometimes it's hard for people to let go of stuff because of a feeling of scarcity, too.
I think I just want to call that out, too.
For some folks it's hard to let go of stuff because they've had experiences where they haven't had a lot right.
Or they haven't had enough.
It's important to note that and do a little healing around it and do a little acknowledgement of that.
And again like feeling grateful for what you have and then knowing that you can safely let go of things.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think something that also helped me like like, just like, make me understand my relationship to stuff is being on retreat.
Obviously, you don't have to do this, but I mean, you can't bring anything with you.
You just get a bed, some bed sheets.
You know, it's just you.
You have some clothes like it's just very minimal.
And I was like, oh, yeah, there is a lot of things that are just set up in my life.
Like there's a lot of choice that I have to do every single day.
This top, that top, these shoes, that shoes.
I'm a sneaker head.
I love a good pair of sneakers.
And then I go on retreat.
I'm like, oh, actually, my life is just so much more peaceful.
All of a sudden you're like Steve Jobs with the one T-shirt.
Yeah, it makes so much sense.
I'm like, wow, I have more time in my day.
Even with groceries now, I actually don't buy that much stuff to eat.
And I'm like, yeah, I can still really enjoy making a simple meal.
It doesn't always have to be something like TikTok worthy or photo worthy.
I can just enjoy it as it is.
But yeah, being on retreat really helped me to see like, and even being in Kenya this past December, like seeing some of my family members, with nothing but so You know, it's like there's just a sense of contentment that was there and still willing to give me like everything that they had.
And yeah, it really allowed me just to look at my stuff in a very different way.
I mean just once again proving like Marie's question, a short question, a simple question never, never short and never simple.
Like it's there's there's always so much to it.
And so, Marie, thank you for for sending your question to us.
OK, we'll be right back.
All right, welcome back.
We have got one more question from Pat.
Here we go.
Dear Headspace, my name is Pat and I'm from the Philippines.
Around a few months ago, I met a friend online.
We became close and started talking with each other daily.
We really enjoyed each other's company despite it being online.
However, things started to change when he started working.
He had less and less time to talk because of how tired he was from his work, until one day he suddenly stopped messaging.
That time I had been worried sick.
Since I don't know what happened to him and I don't know anyone else I can ask to personally check up on him.
Thankfully I found out that he's still alive, but he was going through some heavy emotions that he cannot open up with me.
As a friend, I reassured him that I'll always be here for him.
And recently, he's been messaging me again to make me feel that he's still present.
Honestly, everything that happened affected me deeply and it became really hard for me to function without thinking and worrying about him.
It was tough holding myself together at times.
So I want to ask, how do you comfort yourself?
Someone close to you who might be going through some depressive and heavy moments in life.
And how do I keep myself from being dragged and affected by the bad things happening to the people who are close to me?
Listening to everyone in Headspace has really brought me comfort this past two years.
Thank you and hope you're all having a good day.
Well, thank you for this question, Pat.
I mean, there's really a lot in this question.
We're talking about a person that's an online relationship.
We're talking about them distancing themselves.
And then we're talking about comforting people who are depressed and not getting kind of sucked into their world.
So where do you want to where we want to start on this one?
Thank you so much for this question, Pat.
This sounds like a relationship that's meant a lot to you and that has affected you deeply, and you've really connected to this person.
And I'm glad that this person is safe and they're back and they're going through a hard time and you want to support them.
And that's wonderful.
You sound like a wonderful friend.
You can hold them and support them as much as they allow you to.
And that goes for any relationship, right?
If somebody is going through a tough time and you want to be there for them.
It's important to understand that, you know, there's some so far that your support can go.
Right.
And with the information that you have about the situation and if somebody needs space, you know not taking that personally and you can reflect that back to them.
You know, it seems like you need a little space and allowing them to reach out to you as well for the support.
Yeah.
It doesn't sound like Pat, you know, would ever do that to another person.
As a friend and and for me, one of the things that i always look for in my friendships is someone to give what i give them like equally you know what i mean like i'm incredibly loyal, i'll show up for you.
I'll, but it's like i can't be the only one showing up.
So it's like and this is to me just something to investigate and to look at is the friendship on an equal footing?
Do you feel like this person shows up for you in the same way that you do just some investigative work?
Because to withhold, especially when a person's in crisis, feels jarring or a lot and can be maybe not on purpose but hurtful to another person.
I don't know.
What do you all think?
What did you hear?
Yeah, I went through a situation like this.
I knew the person in real life, but they moved away and then she just disappeared.
And I was kind of like, okay.
But then she reached out to me and I had just actually returned from a silent retreat, so my phone was off for a few days, so she had reached out to me.
Then I saw a few days later and it was almost like I was expected to just be okay with her sudden return and there wasn't even any space to have a conversation about why she just disappeared.
You know, and for me it was a really great invitation to reflect again on my values in friendship.
Like I
You know, that didn't really make me feel good.
And one, that's not how I would treat someone.
And two, it's not reflective of like what I value in friendships.
Like communication I'm learning is so, so important to me and honesty and transparency and not having that like it really it really hurt me.
And in that moment, I didn't know why, but it's also just like, I wouldn't do this to someone.
And I had expectations, which you know.
They say expectations are maybe the root of suffering, but also it's okay to have standards and it's okay to set boundaries and to recognize when you are being harmed or hurting in a relationship and lovingly compassionately, holding people accountable.
So I asked my friend, like, hey, you know, you're someone that I love, that I would do anything for.
And I kind of felt a way that you didn't reach out to me in like three months.
And then I'm just expected to like, have my arms and heart wide open to you returning and be happy and kind of just forget about the fact that we haven't spoken in a long time.
And for her, she didn't see it as that.
So that was like a moment for both of us.
She learned about how she shows up in relationships.
I learned about how I would like other people to show up in relationships.
And we had a conversation about it.
And then, you know, eventually the friendship just kind of dissolved after that.
And it was like a moment of grief.
You know, we had trips planned.
We had like things that we wanted to do together.
This could be the lover girl in me, but I was excited to like our future and like all these different things.
You're already making besties videos for TikTok.
Literally, like seriously.
And then it was like okay, like this is something that I kind of have to just lay to rest now, because it's not going to happen.
It's not the end of the world.
I'm sure I'll find other friends, but like this chapter in my life with this person has closed.
And it was a lot of forgiveness work on my end and also just forgiving her.
Like, you know, people are going through things.
She was Definitely going through things at that time.
And I really wanted to paint her as a bad person, but I had to let go of that and instead just give myself that care and attention and affection that I was needing, that I was trying to seek in somebody else, and what you're, what you're diving in on which I think is really interesting, is that can be fine.
If that's the agreement, if there's an understanding.
Like I have one friend who cannot keep in touch.
It's just part of who she is.
But I also know that that's, I know her for who she is.
I know that's really the best she's capable of doing.
And we're friends.
And when we see each other, it's lovely.
And you know, we have history and there's um.
When I see her, it's like I haven't.
I just saw her yesterday.
However, I don't have expectations that she will show up in the same way that some of my other friends would for me, because that's just not who she is.
She's not able to.
And that's her struggle in her life.
But in this, I think, goes into the last part of Pat's question.
I don't have to hold it.
It's not for me.
It's not about me.
It's about her.
And I know that if I need something I mean she's probably not going to be my first call because I know that she doesn't have the capacity to give me that but I'm happy to have dinner and let's hang out and like catch up and talk about old times, but it probably it stays there.
Yeah.
I think that yeah, that's so important to know where to place people in your life.
You know, and place people in your relationships.
Like when you just said She's probably not going to be my first call, but I love to grab dinner with her.
Obviously, you have a friendship chemistry, right?
And there are things that you provide for each other, but you're not going to provide everything for each other.
And, Pat, you shared that he was going through some things that he couldn't share with you.
There might be other people who are supporting him with this thing or feel he feels comfortable sharing these things with.
And that might be hard to hear because you've built intimacy together.
And you've grown attached to one another, but also like trying to figure out that is an indication of where he might place you in his life.
So where are you going to place him in your life?
Yeah.
And really being, you know, understanding that.
And and there's nothing wrong with that, too.
Right.
Just like you were saying, Robin.
It's like you have a great time, but you know that's not the function of the relationship or that's not the way that you manage.
You know each other's place in your lives.
Well, and some of the answers are really similar to the first question, too, for Pat.
Like, what are you looking for?
What's happening in your life?
What do you need?
Like, what are you seeking community?
Like, could you be seeking community of people that are closer to you, that you can actually be together physically and doing things and sharing experiences and memories, versus a solely virtual relationship?
Is that something to explore?
Like I don't know if that's the right answer for you, but exploration of like how you are in friendship.
Going back to Dora's value list, all of those things that really have been answered in the other all apply in these, this question as well.
Yeah.
And this may not be the case.
I'm just thinking about like my mom has never said, how's your boyfriend doing?
She'll always just say your friend.
And I wonder if there's like also a cultural thing here too, of like friend can mean someone that you are.
In a partnership with.
And so there could be that feeling of like dang.
I really like this person and you know they just disappeared and I have feelings for them.
And that sucks too, you know.
And honoring that, the separation that may have to happen and the coming back to reality of what is, because my mom always says this but people will always show you who you are, but it's just up for you to believe that when you see it, you know.
And again, as a certified lover girl, I'm not seeing it.
My sunglasses are on.
I'm going to get you a sweatshirt that says certified lover girl and it's going to be in like disco decal.
It's going to be amazing.
Thank you.
Yeah.
But when you take those sunglasses on and you really start to see people for who they are, it's painful.
It's really painful.
And there's a lot of compassion and tears.
I love a good crying playlist, compassion, crying, and just being in community that's needed.
So you can remind yourself that it's not that like One bad person does not mean that all of humanity is bad.
And I think that that can kind of be our thought process when we do encounter people that kind of break our hearts or, you know, mistreat us.
But surrounding yourself with people who make you feel good is so, so, so important.
So, if you can do that, Pat highly recommend just being around people that love on you and can support you during this time as well.
Yeah.
Well, you too.
What I like to say to both of you is please don't distance yourself from me, because you bring the joy and the goodness and all of that.
And this has been absolutely lovely.
And I just love the connection between the questions and all that came up today.
Thank you so much for inviting me into your room to answer these questions.
It was amazing to process them with you.
And thank you to the callers.
I hope that we gave you some tools and insight and good luck.
Relationships are tough, man, but they make the world go around, right?
Yeah.
Thank you everyone for these questions, for the courage and bravery to ask the question that probably so many people are afraid to ask, and even share your name behind the question.
I see you and I'm just so grateful that we have the opportunity to share our own experience and wisdom and knowledge with you all.
I think one course that's coming to mind right now is the relationships course in the app, which I love.
And also the self-compassion course, because a lot of this stuff can bring up, as we've shared, a lot like.
Who else is this reminding us of?
Or, you know, when did this begin?
It always goes back to childhood.
And for some of us, childhood can be a really big point of tension.
So I highly recommend the self-compassion course and the relationship course for you to explore further what your relationship is to others and yourself, and do it in a kind and loving and gentle way.
All right.
Well, I just want to say one more thanks to AV Maria and Pat for sending their questions in today.
And you know, if you're listening and you have an issue or a problem that you would love some input on, I say why not send that question to us?
It's pretty darn easy.
All you have to do is head over to sayhi.chat slash Dear Headspace.
And when you're going to record your question.
And don't worry, that link is in the show notes.
And if we use your question in the show, you are gonna get three months of Headspace for free, which is a good deal.
Woo, free Headspace.
Robin is right.
Thank you so much.
These questions are what make this show, this show.
So please send them in.
And, as always, leaving you with a sweet treat that you can just take a moment to sit reflect integrate process, everything that we shared on this show.
So leaving you with the sweet sounds of a crackling campfire.
Take a deep breath and enjoy.
Until next time, stay happy, stay healthy, and be kind to each other.
Dear Headspace is a Headspace Studios original podcast.
It's produced by Robin Hopkins, Ash Jones, and Scott Sorenson.
It's executive produced by Morgan Selzer, Sarah Cohn, Barron Farmer, and Danny Karisamy.
Our production coordinator is Taylor Jennings-Brown.
It's hosted and produced by Robin Hopkins, Kaysonga Giscombe, Dora Kamau, Samantha Snowden, Eve-Louise Prieto and Rosie Acosta.
Post-production is by Dan Kroll.
Music is by Scott Sorensen and Chris Mergia.
And a special thanks to Colleen Lutz.
