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Hi, Grime Junkies.
I'm your host, Ashley Flowers.
And I'm Britt.
And the story I have for you today starts almost 55 years ago.
But don't call this a cold case.
Because things, even all these years later, are heating back up.
Everything centers around one July night on the campus of Washington State University.
A co-ed and a big swath of carpet go missing from a residence hall no one was supposed to be in.
Where her car ended up, where her keys were found, and where her body was left are all clues that point at different people.
There have been many theories about what happened to Joyce LePage over the years, but only six viable ones seem to remain.
And maybe our sleuths out there can help us see what is missing as we try to figure out who killed Joyce LePage.
I'm about to take you back to a time that we and a lot of our audience have only ever witnessed in the movies, the early 1970s.
Now, what you might know about the time was that President Nixon has just declared the war on drugs.
Some of the Pentagon Papers are being released.
And many Americans are taking to the streets to protest the Vietnam War.
For some, these issues were part of the everyday fabric of July 1971.
And for others, they probably felt a whole world away.
Take, for instance, Joyce LePage.
A 21-year-old farmer's daughter in eastern Washington whose focus that summer was on young love, meditating, skydiving, and school.
I'm sorry, Ashley, when are we going to take our own advice and like stay out of Washington for once?
Listen, every time we cover a case there, it leads to another one, which is actually how we found Joyce's story.
So back to the summer in 1971, Joyce is subleasing a room in an off-campus apartment while taking summer courses in chemistry and German at WSU in Pullman, which is on the eastern side of the state.
Now, I've always said college roommates are a coin toss.
I found both of mine on Craigslist.
It's a story for another day, but you're either going to like be absolute best friends or you'll want nothing to do with one another.
There's not a whole lot in between.
I actually had both.
And for Joyce and her roommate, Bruce Bierbaum, they fall into that second category.
At least as far as Joyce is concerned.
She finds Bruce kind of annoying, so much so that she had actually been avoiding sleeping at her own place.
In a letter scrawled in her messy handwriting, Joyce explained to a friend where she had been crashing instead.
So I'm gonna have a voice actor read a portion of the letter.
Stevens Hall is being worked on this summer, so I have taken over the building.
I play their piano, watch TV, sleep, shower, even bathe in there.
It's my private hideaway for the rest of the summer.
It wasn't a secret among Joyce's friends that she was spending time at Stevens Hall, but concerns had been expressed about her getting caught.
So she writes in that same letter that she was taking precautions.
I even used their hidden parking place that the police can't see from the road.
Yesterday morning, a workman stumbled upon me accidentally.
I had spent the night in the head resident's room.
He thought I was the head resident, I guess, because he asked me if I knew where the storm windows were, then apologized and left.
This letter isn't dated, so we aren't sure when that worker stumbled upon Joyce's hiding place.
But it's not like she got kicked out.
The arrangement seemed to be working for her.
And on weekends when she could, she would try to go back home to visit her family a few hours away in Pasco, Washington.
In fact, in another letter written by Joyce in the case file and dated July 20th, she wrote to her family telling them that she would be home that upcoming weekend for a doctor's appointment and to attend the water follies,
Which was this like annual boat race that the town put on.
But before she hit the road, she had skydiving lessons to attend.
Would you mention skydiving before?
And I was like, I am telling you, Joyce was one in a million.
She was into writing, meditation.
She played piano, loved getting her hands dirty, like helping on the family farm.
And before skydiving, she took up flying.
Like she got her pilot's license at 18 years old.
So she is no novice when it comes to aviation.
And she was actually taking these lessons alongside her friend, this guy named Hal Wood.
So fast forward to Thursday, July 22nd.
This is just two days after she sent her parents that letter.
This is when Joyce and Hal had a lesson planned.
So Hal and his then girlfriend, Patty, hop on their motorcycle.
They ride over to Joyce's apartment.
Wait, her actual apartment or the dorm she was like hiding out in?
They meet her at the apartment.
It's just a few blocks away from campus.
And she's there and everything is good.
They all pile into Joyce's car, drive about four miles to the Pullman Moscow Regional Airport for the lesson.
After, the three friends go to Spruce Tavern in Moscow.
They share a pitcher of beer before heading back.
So it's about 10 p.m. when they pull up to her apartment complex.
And they say goodbye to Joyce in like the front yard area of her place.
And that is where she is still standing when they take off on their bike.
And this would become the last confirmed sighting of Joyce LePage alive and well.
We really don't know anything else about the rest of her Thursday night after 10 p.m.
But this is what we know about the next day, Friday, July 23rd.
At 8.22 a.m., campus police get a call from a custodian who is doing rounds at Stevens Hall where Joyce had been crashing.
And the janitor says that there is this big piece of green carpet in the lobby that has been cut out from the floor.
And we're not just talking like a little piece.
This is like a five by five foot swath.
And the contractors had no reason to remove it.
Plus, if they did, they probably would have used like precision cutting tools.
This looks like somebody took a pair of scissors and just like went to town.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So they're calling to report this basically as a burglary.
Now, nothing else besides the carpet is missing, but they do find things that don't seem like they belong there.
This woven basket type purse containing a headscarf, a German 350 textbook.
And several cards and letters from someone named David Arthur to another person named Joyce LePage.
And there's even an unmailed letter from Joyce back to David.
Now, David Arthur is Joyce's boyfriend, who at the time is back home in South Africa for the summer.
Obviously, he didn't take their carpet.
But they figure this Joyce might know something since clearly her purse is there in the building.
So police locate Joyce's address.
They head to her apartment to question her about the missing carpet.
But Joyce isn't there.
In fact, she ends up being MIA to every scheduled thing she had that day.
A German class that was scheduled from 1030 to 1130.
Another skydiving lesson with Hal at 430.
And she supposedly had been entertaining the idea of going to a dance in Oaksdale, Washington, with this guy named Mike Finch.
Mike was a friend of Joyce's that she had kind of like dated on and off at some point.
He's a teacher.
He was like literally chaperoning like a high school dance and had invited Joyce as his date.
But Joyce was a no-show to all of it.
Her professor said she didn't come to class.
Hal says she didn't show up for the lesson.
Mike says he waited and waited, thought Joyce just blew him off for the dance.
Come Saturday, Joyce also didn't show up to her childhood home as planned.
She missed the boat race and her eye doctor appointment.
Of course, her family had no idea of all the things she had already missed back at school.
So they just tried calling her, thinking maybe that her plans had changed.
But there was no answer.
And Joyce was one that didn't really talk on the phone a lot to her family or really to anyone very often.
I mean, combing through her letters, it seems like mail was her main form of communication.
So her family decided to kind of just wait a bit, see if she showed up, see if she would call with an explanation for her absence.
But she didn't.
And after a few more days, her parents try calling her apartment again.
And this time they at least get a hold of her roommate, Bruce.
But he said, like, they're basically ships passing in the night.
They don't really see much of each other at all.
Which makes sense if she's been dodging him.
Yeah.
And he says that he hasn't seen Joyce since the weekend before.
And he doesn't know where she is.
Now, when Monday, August 2nd, comes and there is still no word from Joyce, her dad, Walter, calls campus police bright and early to report his daughter missing.
And first stop police make is again to Joyce's apartment.
But no one is home.
Her light green 1966 Dodge Coronet that her dad told them she had isn't there either, which at first might seem like a good sign.
But by 1.15 that very afternoon, after checking the local hospital, after checking Student Health Center, and checking their own arrest records without success...
They locate Joyce's car, parked at 1704 Opal Street, right outside a fraternity house about seven-ish blocks from her apartment.
People they talk to at the frat house say that the car has been out there for like a week.
There's even like a parking ticket on the windshield dated July 29th.
So it's for sure been there at least four days, but likely more, like people are saying.
But even though people have seen the car a lot, they haven't seen anyone around it.
Now, the car is locked up and peering through the windows, officers only see some books and papers, a wallet, some women's shoes, nothing that screams foul play or anything.
But they do at least still have some analysts with the Washington State Crime Lab come and
But the report says that they don't find anything.
Not even fingerprints?
So that's the thing.
So reports don't get that specific.
They just say that nothing of significance was found.
But Whitman County Sheriff Brett Myers, who oversees the case today, he says he doesn't think they dusted for fingerprints.
Okay, then why have it processed at all if you're not going to do that?
What does processing mean?
Yeah, like what are you looking for if not at least fingerprints?
I don't know.
I assume they're like looking for blood or like in her trunk.
They're like looking for obvious signs that something bad happened.
But like I'm with you.
To me, this would be a huge miss because the car...
Just ends up getting returned to Joyce's family.
It's probably because investigators don't know what they have on their hands yet.
I mean, this is weird for sure.
They've got a co-ed who hasn't been seen for almost two weeks, who lives on Oak Street, but whose car is parked on Opal Street, but whose stuff is found inside Stevens Hall, where a carpet went missing around the time that Joyce was last seen.
But no one can say what it means.
I mean, a crime junkie could tell you some ideas.
And listen, it's not like they're totally writing her off.
I mean, they launch an investigation and they interview pretty much everyone.
Joyce's friends, her professors, roommates, boyfriends.
And I think part of what confuses them or the situation is that they get some one-off sightings of her maybe being seen outside.
After 10 p.m. on Thursday.
So it's like, this isn't normal, but is it sinister?
Well, the more time that passes without any word from Joyce,
And without any real confirmed sightings of her, the more they begin to believe that something bad happened to Joyce at the hands of someone else.
But what?
Well, it took nine full months before everyone got the answer that they were dreading.
On April 16th, 1972, a teenage boy and his mom showed up at a police station in Colfax, Washington, with some bones in tow.
They said that they'd been out in Hawaii Canyon looking for gemstones when they found what they think are human remains.
And it is unbelievable that these were ever even found.
I mean, to recover the rest, Whitman County deputies have to tie a rope to the bumper of a patrol car and like rappel down a steep cliff.
To get to the location where the rest of the bones are.
OK, how were the boy and his mom even down there if the spot was so hard to get to?
I don't know if they both were.
So reports say that the teenager was the one who actually found the remains.
His mom was like a higher up.
So I assume this kid is just like young and nimble and like climbed down easily.
And mom is like on the edge being like, I'm watching.
Yeah, I know.
But like, that's how they got down there.
How did this body, how did these remains get down there, though?
Did someone get them down there?
I wondered the same thing.
And we asked Sheriff Myers.
He actually volunteered to like go out there with his drone and shoot some photos and video for us that kind of like give you a feel for the area.
And if you take a look, you'll see there's this like canyon road and they're thinking that maybe someone drove up there and then like pushed her down the canyon to where she landed.
And I actually do like along with this drone footage, I have some of the original scene photos that the sheriff gave us as well.
And I know it's like kind of hard to like know what you're looking at because they're in black and white.
They're like film.
They're pretty close up.
But like they're in the brush.
Oh, is that is that the carpet?
That's the carpet.
Yeah.
When they get down there, deputies do find a partial, mostly skeletal body wrapped in a green carpet.
Now, Joyce isn't completely intact anymore.
Like the bundle of carpet that she's in is found about three feet above a seasonal creek.
So between that and animal activity, I'm sure like some of her remains were found more scattered.
And how far away is this from Pullman and WSU?
Close enough that, I mean, they know about Joyce LePage because while this is a very rural area, it's only like 25 minutes southwest of campus.
So people in these parts are well aware that a student has been missing for the better part of a year at this point.
Now, they have to enlist the help of the FBI and it takes some time, but it's eventually confirmed through dental records that that was Joyce.
What's left of her remains can't tell them how she died definitively.
But their best guess at the time was that she was stabbed because there were markings on some of her bones that like look like they could be knife punctures.
But interestingly, if she was stabbed, it wasn't while she was laying on that carpet because apparently there's no blood on it.
Her remains were also wrapped in some blankets, including a military U.S. Army Medical Corps blanket.
And none of that has blood on it either.
Now, there's a pair of women's floral underwear that they found too.
Either like wrapped up in it or like somewhere nearby.
And the underwear had been like sliced on either side.
And the only other item of evidence that they find is this fishing wire like twine that was like wrapped around the pelvis.
Now, this obviously is not the outcome that the LePage family was hoping for.
But in a way, it is a relief.
We interviewed Joyce's brother, Bruce LePage, for this episode.
Totally different than her roommate, Bruce.
This is her brother.
And he told us by that time, I mean this is like nine months out, like they had accepted the fact that Joyce was likely gone and her remains being found did allow them to have a funeral and to grieve and to celebrate who she was.
This daughter, sister, friend.
She was a hardworking farm girl.
With a freaking pilot's license, who liked skydiving and listening to her favorite Steppenwolf record, and who, by the way, contained multitudes because she was also studying English lit and attending summer school to be able to graduate faster.
Her brother told us that if Joyce had lived, she would have had a full life.
He guessed as a teacher or maybe a journalist or a pilot even, and probably a mom.
Because just two days before she vanished, Joyce wrote a letter to her parents talking about a friend's baby who had just turned six months old.
And in it, she mused that maybe someday she'd have a baby of her own.
Like, who knows, she said.
The world felt like her oyster.
But someone took all of that away from her, from her family, from everyone who loved her.
And to this day, they've gotten away with it, but not for a lack of trying on the part of investigators.
Because Joyce's case file is robust.
I mean, I could spend hours walking you through every step they took, every person they looked at, every lead that they ran down.
Lots of it went nowhere.
But after 55 years, there are several theories that still carry a lot of weight.
And I think that says something.
So I want to walk you through the different scenarios and the six different suspects whose names have endured decades.
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The Boyfriend
So Joyce's boyfriend, David Arthur, was for sure in South Africa when she was murdered.
No funny business.
He isn't even on the table here and he didn't hire someone or want to take her out.
Like from Joyce's letters, it seemed like she was pretty smitten with David.
And actually, some people even say that they were low key engaged to be married.
So he had zero means motive opportunity.
But there was someone in Joyce's recent dating history who had for sure two of the three of those.
Mike Finch.
And he's the teacher guy who invited her to chaperone the dance with him that Friday night.
He was supposed to see her the very night that she was likely killed.
So obviously, that's a guy you got to look at.
Yeah.
But on top of that, police had gotten a tip that said that Mike had a habit of hanging around outside Joyce's chemistry lab and like disrupting class so often that the teacher was about to ban him from coming back.
Also, he's like a grown man with a career.
Like what's he doing?
Like hanging around?
Well, he's like he he's kind of a grown man.
So like he had done a stint in the army and he had just graduated WSU like the year before.
So he's not like way older than Joyce or anything.
He's 27.
Kind of a full grown man.
Still, you know, she's in her 20s, too.
Anyways, police interview Mike, who tells them that he's known Joyce for two years.
They had gone out about 10 times, he says, in the year or two before.
So he knows her pretty well.
And he says that it wasn't just the dance that they were supposed to go to together.
They were going to spend the whole weekend together.
So he says that he last saw Joyce on Thursday, July 22nd.
He was on campus for some reason, and he asked Joyce to chaperone this dance with him and then go to the water follies thing together in Pasco.
But Joyce didn't outright say yes.
She said, like, how about you call me tomorrow?
We can, like, talk about the plans.
But he says he called the next day between like 630 and seven.
Right.
Like it's the 70s.
You know, you have to schedule when to call somebody.
That's when she would be home from her skydiving lesson.
But he couldn't get a hold of her.
And he makes a point that he called her from a friend's place in Spokane.
Except she didn't answer.
So he called her again and again, but all three times he never got in touch with her.
And he tells police that he went to the dance on Saturday as planned, chaperone, thought maybe she would like show up at some point.
So he waited, but Joyce never showed up.
So he sucked it up and went along with weekend plans without her.
Which was to go to the Water Follies and then go to Bellingham, Washington for an ag teacher's conference where he said he remained for like almost the whole next week.
But I don't know about this.
Like, can I be honest for a second?
Always.
So in early iterations of like putting this story together, the Mike Finch section of this was actually like pretty short.
It was like he called her.
He went to Water Follies, drove to his conference.
And spoiler, even though he wouldn't take a polygraph in the 1970s, he did take one in 2013 and he passed.
So police don't really consider him a suspect anymore.
But I am a details gal.
I mean, always go a layer deeper.
I don't know if you know this about me.
And not everywhere in my life, for sure.
But like for case details, like.
A thousand percent.
I don't care what the final line in the report says.
I want to dissect everything.
And I cannot make this man's timeline make sense.
Now, people before me kind of chalked it up to the fact that.
Mike was a drinker and I'll get more into that in a minute.
And they're also like, well, you know, he didn't have a calendar in front of him.
Sometimes it's a little unclear exactly like when he left for Pasco.
Like, was it Friday?
Was it Saturday?
Even the dance?
Like sometimes in the reports, the dance reads like it's Friday.
Most of the time when Mike's being explicit, he says the dance is Saturday.
And determining what is sus and what is typos in old reports is hard because there's literally one part where it says that he left for Pasco Saturday morning at 10 p.m. Iconically, not in the morning.
Which cannot be correct.
And on top of that, I think everyone is like, oh, you know, whatever.
Like everything we're talking about is Friday, Saturday.
Like Joyce was killed on Thursday.
Right.
So like these days don't even matter.
But I think it could matter a whole lot because here's what I've pieced together.
Mike's story changes, and there's a lot of weird details in between.
His first statement was given to police on August 3rd, 1971.
This is the day after Joyce is reported missing.
And the report states that in a phone call with police, Mike says that he visited Joyce on campus on July 22nd and invited Joyce to the dance.
They made arrangements for him to call her at her apartment the next evening to like make solid plans.
But the loose plan, he says, was for them to attend the dance and then drive to the Tri-Cities for the boat races.
But Mike says that when he called Joyce on the evening of the 23rd, she didn't answer.
He then waited around until like 10 p.m. and she didn't show.
So he says he went to the boat races solo.
And then from there, he drove to Bellingham, Washington, where he attended a vocational agricultural teachers convention.
When police interviewed Hal and Patty, they're the ones who saw Joyce Thursday night, they said that she was planning to go to the dance on Friday.
When they interviewed Joyce's roommate, Bruce, he too knew about the dance, which he said Joyce was planning to go to on Friday.
These are all people who are being interviewed like the day after she's reported missing.
And Joyce is the one telling them all this.
Is she just mixed up?
But why is Mike then saying that too in his first interview?
And someone from the school ends up telling police that dances are always on Saturday, never Friday.
So the mix up seems even more strange to me.
So then fast forward to after Joyce's remains are found, but before she's been officially identified.
They do a more formal interview with Mike Finch.
And his story is a little different and has a lot more details.
And pay close attention to the details.
So he makes it sound a little more like he just happened to run into Joyce that Thursday morning.
And he told her he's going to the water follies.
And he asked her if she like wanted to go down because, you know, I'm already going.
She says, yes.
They make plans for him to call the next day to verify.
He does.
From Spokane, Washington, he clarifies.
This is the first time this comes up.
He says he calls from his buddy's place there.
She didn't answer.
He tries her a few times.
From Spokane, he wants to make sure he mentioned that.
And then he drives back to his place in Oaksdale.
And they go back and forth to verify, like, dates a little bit.
And they get back to the 23rd when he called Joyce between 6.30 and 7 p.m. From Spokane, I'm sure, right?
Okay, we get it.
Then on Saturday, he says he didn't leave for Pasco to go to the Water Follies until really late, like 1230 at night.
So, I mean, technically Sunday.
But before he drove there, he just stopped by Pullman to drive by Joyce's apartment.
What?
He...
Listen.
Okay, why?
Listen, it's not totally out of the way, but you don't drive through Pullman to get to Pasco, that's for sure.
He said he just passed, saw that all the lights were off.
It looked like no one was home, so he didn't stop.
I mean, or everyone was asleep.
It's midnight.
Well, he's asked if her car was there when he drove by.
And he's like, oh, I can't really remember.
Like, I wasn't paying attention.
Anyways, he says from there, he left.
He went to Pasco.
And they do press him on something else that doesn't make sense.
They say, OK, so she's going to ride with you to the water follies.
And then you were going to go to that teacher's conference in Bellingham because that is still part of his story here.
And he's like, yep.
So they say, well, then how was Joyce going to get back to Pullman for classes on Monday?
If you were her ride.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's like, oh, like, you know, get back.
I guess I would drive her back to Pullman and then I would drive to Bellingham.
And the timing and the geography of this makes zero sense to me, because if you're looking at a map, you have Pullman like all the way on the right on the eastern part of the state.
Pasco is two hours southwest.
And Bellingham is even way up northwest, right?
Way up northwest.
Yeah, it's like another five hours.
So it makes sense to go from Pasco and the Water Follies right to Bellingham.
It makes no sense, however, to drive back to Pullman and then to Bellingham.
Now, we do lots of things for love, but this wasn't his girlfriend.
I mean, maybe all the more reason, though, because it feels like he's, like, very into her.
Like...
I think there had to have been something there, right?
But like, the thing is, he is saying to them that they're just friends.
Like, yeah, they'd gone out a few times before, but they both decided it was mutual.
They were just friends.
But like, Mike, come on.
Like, why else are you asking her to be your date, to, like, spend the weekend together?
And hang around all of her classes all the time when you no longer go to school there.
Well, he did.
I think he was, like, taking a summer class at one point.
So, like, he had a reason to be on campus.
But, like...
He did admit to hanging around campus on occasion.
For people in Joyce's life who knew Mike Finch, opinions are mixed.
Some say that he's a big teddy bear.
Others say he is crass when he drinks, which he does a lot.
And both can be true.
I think both probably were true.
Joyce's friend Jan, who had also dated Mike, by the way, is quoted in the case files saying, That's ominous.
But there's no elaboration.
She just said that when Mike was drunk, he was very foul-mouthed beyond belief.
Now, police...
Also interviewed the principal at Oaksdale High, where Finch was an agriculture teacher.
Lost art, by the way.
And the principal says that Finch does a good job at school, but he said it's no secret that he is a heavy drinker.
And if your boss knows you have a problem, then sir.
You might have a problem.
But, he says, the only time he's seen him have a violent temper was when he was sober.
Which, okay, but that's not helping the situation at all.
But again, no elaboration where I wish there was one.
Know what else there is no mention of?
Whether or not his alibis check out.
And I should be clear, like he doesn't have an alibi for Thursday, like the real night in question, because Friday morning is when the carpet goes missing.
Right.
She's found in the carpet.
So presumably she's already dead by Friday.
For the life of him, he cannot remember what he was doing that night.
But he definitely knows the time he called her from Spokane, when he left for Pasco, where he stopped for gas.
He knows all this stuff about the following two days, but that particular...
Now, they did verify with that friend in Spokane that Mike was there Friday night and that he thinks Mike tried calling a girl.
But the guy says that Mike had no special feelings for Joyce.
They also tried to talk to someone at the school to verify that Mike had chaperoned the dance.
Yeah.
They confirmed there was a dance on Saturday night.
But the person they're talking to doesn't know if they kept records on who was chaperoning.
Because, again, they're not like really looking into this until like a year out after her body's been found.
The guy says basically he's going to have to check and get back to detectives.
But there's no follow up in the file.
OK, was he at the water follies?
Did he go to the conference?
Like there's other things.
There's only there's mentions of police like saying they want to find out about these like a few years down the line.
But I don't see in the case file where they ever got any answers.
I do see where they looked up his criminal history, though.
They found that he did have public intoxication and resisting arrest charges from five years before.
And interestingly, a few weeks after Joyce vanished, Mike got into a rollover accident while driving.
He like totaled his car.
Now, back in the day, police asked Mike to take a polygraph in Joyce's case.
He initially agreed.
But instead, he got an attorney and then declined further participation, which only makes him more suspicious to some investigators.
Other things make them suspicious of him too.
Like, remember the military blanket that Joyce was wrapped in?
Mike was in the army.
This makes some investigators keep their sights on him as the primary suspect for years, though they never seem to be able to pin anything on him.
Now, there is a moment, though, when they wonder if they've got it all wrong.
And that's in 1977, after a certain Pacific Northwest serial killer is arrested and begins confessing two murders of college co-eds.
Enter one Theodore Bundy.
His name is in Joyce's case file as a person of interest, but not until after his arrest.
So he was first arrested in 1975.
And then in 1977, a tip made its way to police that said Bundy had supposedly stayed on WSU's campus the weekend that Joyce was killed.
But there was no way to prove that six years later.
Also, people kept saying that there was like VW bugs around campus, which like some say lent credence to this theory.
Right, because Ted Bundy drove a VW bug, but so did everyone in 1971.
Literally including Mike Finch.
Oh, OK.
But isn't Joyce's case a little early for Ted?
Maybe.
So Bundy's first confirmed killing was in 1974.
But authorities have speculated that he may have started murdering people like in the 60s.
So that leaves the door open.
And because we're talking about a victim who was like his profile type in the Pacific Northwest, which was like a hunting ground for him.
His name, I think, will always come up until they can rule him in Washington.
Or out.
But if you believe the word of a serial killer, it should be out.
Because before Bundy was electrocuted in 1989, he was asked about Joyce's murder, and he denied any involvement.
It's still totally possible that he was involved.
But of the few theories that have survived...
Think it's the least probable and sheriff myers agrees with that bundy would have had to have just been like randomly passing through campus late at night on july 22nd 1971 right like it's much more likely it was someone that joyce knew or someone who for sure knew where she was going to be
So maybe for that reason, Mike Finch stayed on police's radar for a very long time.
They would try to revisit him, but he pretty much stopped cooperating once he got that lawyer.
But just in 2013, they finally broke through.
Mike agreed to be re-interviewed, and that time is when he took a polygraph.
And his memory then, as he is interviewed, is a little bit different.
So by 2013, he's saying Joyce asked him if he was going to go to Pasco for the boat races.
And when he said yes, she asked if she could hitch a ride with him.
He told her that's fine as long as she could find her own ride back because he had to go to that ag teacher's conference the next day.
This time, he doesn't mention calling her on Friday, but he does say that Saturday he drove to pick her up.
She wasn't home, so he drove to the airport to see if she was still at her skydiving lesson.
What time is this?
In this version, it's earlier.
He says that when she wasn't there, he drove back to his place in Oaksdale because he figured it was too early to go to Pasco.
Remember, before he said that he drove by her place, then went like straight there, like really late at night.
So he says he drives back to his place, he waits around, has a couple of beers outside his house with a local farmer friend, and then he left.
And he says he didn't know he was a prime suspect all these years.
And all that time might have warped his memories, as time tends to do.
But he still says he had nothing to do with her disappearance or murder.
And he finally agrees to take the polygraph and he passes.
Mike Finch died in 2024, and investigators today more or less consider him cleared.
They can't connect him to anything from the scene, and they can't put him with Joyce or around Stevens Hall on Thursday, July 22, 1971.
So maybe it would be better to look at someone we know for a fact was near Stevens Hall that night.
A man who police had on their radar when Joyce was still just a missing person.
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The first indication that anything was amiss on campus wasn't the report that Joyce was missing.
It was that report that they'd gotten of the missing carpet in Stevens Hall.
And while Joyce was an early suspect in the carpet theft because her belongings were found in the building, there was one other suspect.
A contract worker named Robert Loren Johnson, who was laying tile that summer in what was then Arts Hall, which is a building just like 100, maybe 200 yards from Stevens Hall.
And it turns out he was working late the night of July 22nd and actually ended up working until like 2.30 a.m. and just stayed the night there.
Now, he became a suspect in the carpet theft because an off-campus police officer saw his car parked outside Stevens Hall in the middle of the night.
And the theory for Robert in terms of Joyce's disappearance is that maybe after Joyce said goodbye to Hal and Patty, she snuck to Stevens Hall like she'd been doing on previous nights.
We know from Joyce's own letters that a worker had stumbled upon her poaching the head resident's bed.
Who was that worker?
Was it Robert?
Was it someone who maybe told Robert about it?
Someone knew that she was there, more than just the one incident she wrote about in that letter, because police ended up hearing a rumor that had been going around that one of the men working in Arts Hall, where Robert was laying tile, had reportedly been messing around with a girl from Stevens Hall that summer.
And Joyce is literally the only one staying in Stevens Hall.
Exactly.
But they were never able to determine where this rumor originated or who it was about.
I mean, yes, presumably Joyce, but who is the man?
When police interviewed Robert, he said he had nothing to do with Joyce's disappearance.
He did admit that he was working in the dorms that week, mostly by himself.
And the only people he saw was a security guard around 8 p.m. the night before.
And then the night of the 22nd, he saw a few contractor buddies who came by from another job after midnight and brought him a burger.
He says they left at like 1 a.m.
He kept working until like 2 or 2 30.
And because he was anxious to get the job done, he just like slept on the floor and then continued working a few hours later when he woke up.
Worried because a chunk of your night was spent doing something else or?
Well, Robert, who, by the way, was married with kids, took and passed a polygraph in the early days of the investigation.
So that was pretty much that.
There weren't really any red flags in his background for them to like keep pursuing him for any reason.
And then he ended up dying just a few years later.
Okay, if he wasn't involved and he's up like all night working.
Most of the night.
Most of the night working.
Wouldn't he have heard like screaming or something if Joyce had been attacked like a hundred yards away?
If there was screaming, maybe.
I mean, Robert talked about hearing a party or like something that night.
So it seems like sound traveled there.
And Sheriff Myers told us that you can like hear parties happening from across town, especially in the summer.
But I mean, we don't know what happened.
Maybe Joyce didn't have a chance to scream.
Okay, but she had to have been attacked in Stevens Hall, right?
Like she's wrapped in the missing carpet when she's found.
I mean, to me, it seems like the most likely scenario because I really don't know why else you would go there and take the carpet if you're not already there.
I mean, might help to hide and transport the body.
Sure.
But like, I don't think you kill her somewhere else.
Then go to this hall, cut out a square of carpet like there's no other way.
Like go to this hall where she was like kind of secretly known to have been staying like that she was associated with.
And it was taken from the front lobby of the building.
Right.
Right.
It was taken from it.
They called it the lounge, like this hangout area of the building.
There's actually this hand-drawn diagram of the room in the case file.
It doesn't give like precise details, but our producer licensed some old photos from WSU of the interior.
And one of them shows the room with a piano in it.
And like we know from her letters, like she would go, she would play piano.
So like, I don't know, it just seems like something happened in that room where she was known to hang out.
And this room is like a decent size and it is kind of at the front entrance on the main floor.
But listen, we know Joyce got in and out of the building through a window in the head residence room where she was sleeping.
OK, but like we know she's staying there.
She has a way in and out kind of.
How would Robert have gotten into Stevens Hall?
I mean, like, I don't know if he had a key or anything, but like he could have gotten in the same way she did.
Like she's sneaking in through a window.
Anyone could have snuck in the same way she's getting in or she could have let someone in.
But there are a couple of things that make sense for a suspect like Robert, someone who maybe had opportunity, but not like a deep motive or history with the victim.
So like, hear me out.
So the place is what would tie him to Joyce.
Right.
Right.
Like he can't untangle himself from the dorms.
People know he was there.
He was working.
Yeah.
He had scheduled work to get done.
So he would have to remove Joyce from the place
Her body can't be found there
Her car cannot be found there
You need people looking elsewhere for her
But maybe you don't know her enough to know that she told a lot of people about staying there like you don't know her enough to know that her books and letters are still there in the building
Well and I kind of forgot about her car being moved
Well, technically, we don't know that it was moved.
But if we believe that she went to Stevens Hall herself and then she was killed in Stevens Hall, then, yeah, how did her car get outside that frat house?
And what was the parking situation like back then?
Like, was that just a good spot?
So she didn't like draw attention to the fact that she was squatting there?
No, no.
So if you picture a triangle, her car is like at the top.
Her apartment is like the bottom left and Stevens Hall is bottom right.
So.
It's not like you drive past it or it's like on your route driving there.
So to me, that doesn't make sense for like a place to park.
For her to like store it there.
Even if she's trying to get people not to see her.
Just like, I don't know.
It doesn't make sense.
But since there are no mention of processing fingerprints when they found the car, we don't know if someone else drove it there.
Mm hmm.
But there actually is the option that she did.
I mean, she could have because her car location is actually what leads us to the next theory, the meditation group.
Because even though Joyce didn't know anyone at the frat house, she did know a group of people just a couple houses away, actually.
And she was planning on moving into that house right before she died.
And the people in that house...
One of them, at least, has a dark secret that Joyce recently learned about and she had shared it in a letter to a friend.
I discovered that one stayed at a mental institution for trying to strangle people.
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