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My internet went out this weekend.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It was actually possibly a blessing.
It went out like it can't be fixed until tomorrow.
So truly nothing could be done.
Oh, like out, out.
Yeah.
I don't know what happened.
It was out since Saturday morning.
So suddenly the spigot was turned off of information, right?
Uh-huh.
I was like, what will become of me?
Like my home suddenly seemed like a much different place too.
Uh-huh.
You know, less a void where you park your meat bag so that you can enter the vortex of your phone and other virtual worlds.
That was Manoush Samarody, host of TED Radio Hour.
And I'm Mariel Segarra.
You're listening to Life Kit.
So I was telling Manoush about my analog weekend.
And it was like, oh, usually I have the TV on as a companion or usually I'll also have my laptop in my lap and be like just browsing, just browsing things while I'm looking online.
And now I can't do any of that.
So quickly I took down my laptop.
Prose translation of Shakespeare?
No, come on.
You did not.
I did.
You were like, if we're going analog, we are going all analog.
All the way in.
Yeah.
And I started reading Othello.
It's like, from this book, I can get information about Shakespeare.
Impressed that you still have Shakespeare on your shelves first of all and that you knew where it was and did you find that you were able to sort of relax with the book in a way that perhaps you might not have been had your phone been sitting there pinging alongside you
Yeah, there wasn't too much for me and my partner to do.
So I was actually reading him Shakespeare.
Oh, that's really romantic.
It was really sweet.
Also, it means that you weren't doing something that, you know, researchers call that where you're multimedia tasking.
Yeah.
Like switching from screen to different screen to another screen.
Yeah.
If you're chilling and that's fun for you, great.
Just don't think that you're actually taking in information properly from any one of the screens that you are flitting to and fro from.
Yeah.
There's a chapter of the book where you talk about avoiding information overload.
Yeah.
Feels really important to me in my personal life because I feel like I'm almost getting sick on information.
Like I'm a little nauseous on information, you know?
So much candy.
Yeah, it's too much.
Y'all ever feel like this?
Lucky for us, Manoush has done a lot of reporting on well-being in the digital age, and she has advice for us.
On this episode of Life Kit, we talk about a chapter of her new book, Body Electric, and it's all about information overload.
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How would you define information overload?
This is something that I too have struggled with immensely.
So I really went down a rabbit hole to try to understand like what was going on in my brain.
Was this actually something new?
And was there anything bad?
Not about trying to get all this information into my brain.
And it turns out the word for it is infomania, a sort of compulsion to take in more information.
And it goes back centuries to the 13th century.
And there was worries that people would try to put too much information into their brains.
I'm picturing like Belle in the library in the castle with the beast.
So many books.
So many books.
And could I actually, because what I felt like I was doing, and maybe this sounds familiar to you, is like, sure, I could read all of these things or watch all these things or take it all in.
But then I was like, what am I actually doing with it?
Like, do I remember?
Yeah.
It just made me realize like well no because I'm not a computer my brain is not infinite with RAM and I can't reboot to like when things go scrambled
So for me it turned into sort of an understanding of biologically and cognitively and physiologically over the last 10 years like
What is the human body capable of?
But I think we need to be smarter about how we take it in, how we synthesize it, and what our expectations are in terms of actually using all of this information.
I wonder if there are any symptoms of information overload.
Like what to watch out for when you've been taking in too much today.
Yeah.
So this was, again, a while back, but there was a podcast that I did where we asked people what their symptoms were.
And some of the things they mentioned were the eye twitch.
Inability to sleep because you feel like your head is spinning and you've been looking at screens for so long that you can't just sort of like settle down.
Also feeling like you can't concentrate.
Having spoken to researchers like Gloria Mark at UC Irvine.
Who have studied how we switch our attention,
One of the things that she has seen is that if you have an hour where you're switching from screen to screen and checking X and then going over to Instagram and going over to email, switching, switching, even if the next hour everything sort of calms down and you...
Want to sit down with like a single article or something like that, you will start switching tasks yourself.
She observed that in the lab that people will suddenly look up and go to their email.
And she estimated that up to around half of
Of the interruptions that happen to us during the day actually are because of self interruptions.
So even if nobody else is interrupting you, you will start interrupting yourself.
You will start switching tasks, trying to get in information in different ways.
It takes time to sort of slow down
Marinade, get into the rhythm that is required for reading something carefully, cautiously, and just sort of juice it for what it's worth.
Takeaway one, some signs that you might be experiencing information overload, your eye starts twitching, you're having trouble sleeping, you feel like your head is spinning with words and numbers and you can't settle down.
Also, if you're having trouble concentrating or you keep interrupting yourself.
Many of these signs are anecdotal, and yours might be different.
The point is, pay attention to your body.
It's easy to forget they have one when you've been glued to a screen all day.
When we're back, Manoush and I talk through what to do if you are dealing with information overload.
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I think part of the reason that I end up with information overload is because I feel like the default is to be on your phone all the time and to be just guzzling information from it even when you're not intending to.
Yes.
So I'd love to walk through some solutions for that.
Let's do it.
One of them you talk about is to prioritize.
For example, all that switching that we talked about, you're switching contexts, right?
Like, oh, you're looking at, is Ebola still happening?
That dog is so cute.
Oh, that...
Looks like a delicious recipe.
All of this switching context, right?
It's like an emotional roller coaster and it's exhausting and it's burning through your cognitive resources really fast.
So you have to think about it this way.
What is it that you want to get out of the time that you are convening with your phone or with the Googles or wherever you go?
And if you can, as much as possible, try to choose something that you want to get out of it.
So if you are looking for something for dinner,
Great.
That's your goal.
You are going to go to trusted sources like places that you know have good recipes or an influencer who you love their stuff that they have.
And guess what?
You've saved some of her stuff for exactly this occasion.
Right.
You're setting the goal to get the information.
And then once you've achieved it.
Yeah, get in and get out.
That's the change that I'm hoping to make, to be more specific and intentional about the information I take in because we only have this one life, right?
Yeah.
And it's like, why am I filling my brain with stuff that I absolutely don't care about and turning that into a job?
It's so true.
I'm turning it in the job is called being a human in the world.
Yeah.
We feel like it means consuming nonstop information about absolutely everything.
Takeaway two, one way to prevent information overload is to set information goals.
Think about why you're opening your phone or logging into your computer.
What information are you hoping to take in?
What info do you really not need?
Once you've met your goal for the moment or the day, stop.
Do you think it helps to try to ask yourself, why am I going on my phone right now?
Yes.
And that is not easy because there is like what?
I don't know.
A tenth of a second between that moment of like.
Yeah.
Going to look because I'm bored.
Going to look because didn't I need to check something?
Going to look because I actually need something.
Going to look because that's what I always do the minute I have a free minute, right?
Think of it as like you don't walk into a room.
You're like looking for something.
And sometimes you're like, wait, why did I come in here?
And then you're like, oh, I can't remember.
You leave.
Same thing has to be with the phone.
It is a big room, you know, ultimately an infinite room.
But like go in, know what you're there for, enjoy what you find and get out.
And if you don't, if you're like, actually, I am not looking for anything and that doesn't feel right to you in the moment, then OK, put it down.
Walk out of the room.
You're making me wonder if time boxing is another good solution for this, because often we have so many different things and we can be getting pings from people on Slack like, hey, can you do this?
Can you do that?
Oh, can you just answer this real quick?
And at least for me, I get overwhelmed by that.
I'm like, if I'm supposed to be writing, I really need to be in the writing environment.
Zone and like close Slack completely.
Me too.
Again, that comes back to the earlier discussion about deciding like that switching between tasks and setting information goals.
If your goal is to
Generate information
That takes a lot of cognitive work and it means it's something that you want to do earlier in the day because that is when that part of your brain is firing the one that really is coming up with the creative ideas right.
If you can, set aside the time for the hardest, deepest mental labor that you need to do earlier in the day.
And then you leave it to later when you're tired out and you're kind of just answering emails, etc.
That uses a different part of the brain that goes on to sort of autopilot.
That is a more sort of neurologically beneficial way to structure your day.
But, you know, you're also dealing with teams and coworkers and dogs that need to get walked and your mom wants to ask you a quick question and coworkers that only have time between 11 and 1 to talk to you about something else.
And so it is that constant balancing of, like, who needs what and what do I need?
To get this done, if I'm going to meet my deadline, if I'm going to eventually cross this off my list.
I mean, I see some people pretty successfully use the little icons in Slack to indicate like
Not available.
I'm on a call.
Don't take it personally when I don't respond to you immediately.
Somebody said to me the other day, you train people around you how they should respond to you.
And I thought that was really funny.
And I thought about it.
She...
Only responds to emails the next day.
And I know never to expect any quick response from her because she has, I know her rhythm, right?
But then there's also maintaining your own boundaries around that.
Like if you put stop and then someone messages you and you answer them right away even though you don't need to answer them right away, then your system is broke.
Game over.
Yeah.
Takeaway three, minimize task switching.
You can try time boxing where you say, OK, I'm going to be writing from 10 a.m. to noon and then I'll eat lunch and then I'll be available to chat with my team from noon to one.
And then I'll listen to a podcast mix.
The details will change depending on your job.
When you timebox, you can also signal your availability to coworkers.
Block certain times on your calendar, even if you're not in meetings.
If you use Slack, put up a status that explains what you're doing.
In person, you could close your door.
If you have a door or an office, yeah, most of us don't.
Or you could make a little flag or a sign.
Red means heads down.
Yellow means approach, but only with something small or pressing.
Or if you have a little piece of cookie that you want to share with me.
Green means talk to me, please.
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So these are interruptions from other people, but you also say that a lot of us are just interrupting ourselves.
Yes.
How do we try to not interrupt ourselves?
I love this idea that I'm like, hey, you, what?
Don't bother me.
Wait, no, you.
I see it in myself, right?
And for me, it's about making a plan because why do you interrupt yourself?
Well, A, like we talked about earlier, if you get into sort of the zone where you're constantly switching, switching, switching, your brain gets used to that rhythm and then continues to want to be in that rhythm.
So what it's looking for is something to hook on to, right?
So for me, I am obsessed with my to-do list, but it's multiple things.
It is the to-do list.
Not only is the minute I think of something, is it jotted down because technically you can only hold about four to seven things in your brain that you have to remember to do.
Then I prioritize, there's color coding as to what are the things that absolutely have to get done.
And then if they're really important, they get slotted into the calendar, right?
Like this is actually when you are going to fill that.
And I try to have my calendar filled
Be filled with things that need to be done, not because I like to be busy, but because that way I don't have to think throughout the day.
It's 1030.
What did I decide I was going to do next?
Oh, yeah.
From now until 12, I am writing.
Great.
I can complete it.
I can...
Feel successful and then move on through my day.
It's about really thinking through like, where am I going to be?
When does that work with me, with my colleagues?
Am I going to need a snack at that point?
Be real.
Trying to think of your own rhythms, your colleagues rhythm, and making sure that you've give yourself time and space to do it.
And then deciding like, and if these things don't make it onto the list or they don't get done,
That's fine.
They can roll over.
Takeaway four, try to stop interrupting yourself.
When you find that you just abruptly looked up from a task in order to check Instagram or your email, for instance, pause.
Decide if you actually need to switch tasks at this moment.
You talk about multitasking in the book.
It reminded me of when I was in high school.
I used to run track and cross country and I was also – I just was studying all the time.
So I would literally be doing sit-ups with my textbook right above me or I would be –
On the treadmill with the textbook or in the shower with a clear shower curtain holding the textbook or the notebook outside the shower to get a little more studying.
Oh, girl, you were serious about high school.
Okay.
I was very serious about it.
I was very serious about it.
But now that I have this smartphone and the laptop and the TV and everything all at once, it's like... Yeah.
I feel like I'm especially...
Inclined to try to do everything at the same time
Multitasking is actually just switching between tasks very rapidly and every time you switch a task you use glucose right like that is what happens
And every time you use glucose in your brain you're burning through a finite amount of it
As well as the oxygen that it takes to burn said glucose in your brain.
Your brain is a
It starts to build up there if you overload yourself, right?
So that is when you start to feel tired and foggy, mentally fatigued, maybe even feel it in your body.
And so what is the best way to regain your ability to focus?
It's to take a break
It's to move, not take a break on your phone because that's burning glucose again, but to literally get up and walk around the room.
That stimulates your muscles.
Your muscles can then pump in more blood, which has oxygen and glucose, back up to your brain so that you can go back to doing all that task switching that you're doing.
But, you know, if you think about it like that moment in the afternoon where you're like, oh, I just really need chocolate so bad.
Well, of course you do.
Like literally you are light on glucose in your brain.
That makes total sense.
But if you take a walk, you actually will refresh your cognitive capacity and, of course, protect your physical health as well.
Yeah.
And standing up and doing just a little bit of movement, it gives you a sort of reset, right?
Totally.
And it doesn't have to be burpees or sprints or anything crazy.
So in the
Five minutes of walking at two miles per hour, two miles per hour of walking.
So you can like go get the mail or go pick up all the dirty glasses that are in the apartment and bring them to the kitchen or vacuum the kitchen because, boy, does it need it?
Or if you're at the office, go refill your water bottle and take one extra lap around.
Just that reset is not only good for your circulation.
What it's been shown to do is if you take those often enough, it also improves your mood, your ability to focus.
We saw drops of up to 28% less fatigue levels.
Like imagine ending the day feeling actually good.
And not drained and exhausted.
And really, it takes four to five five-minute breaks throughout the day to get those benefits.
Takeaway five, beware the double or triple screening.
It can burn you out on information quick.
And when you do start to feel that burnout, get up and move around.
These are all good tips.
There was a quote I really liked in the book, by the way.
It's like your brain is a part of your body that you need to take care of.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, like you said, other professions like a surgeon is certainly going to pay close attention to how they care for themselves.
Pilots can't work a certain number of hours.
And so why are we like us information workers?
Why don't we think of ourselves the same way?
Like I am only optimizing an individual.
Able to do the work I need to do for a certain number of hours before I need a break.
I would also say that like, it's not just a nice metaphor.
Like we're going into this era of AI where human judgment is going to be the thing that we are learning the
Most.
If anything, information overload is going to get even worse.
And so instead of collecting information, what we're going to be doing is parsing that information.
Is it good information?
Is it misinformation?
Is it
Oh, wait, that sentence actually makes no sense kind of information, right?
It's this constant judgments that we're going to have to be making and then deciding, do I use that information in some way?
So judgment, decision making, discernment, these are the human skills that we are going to be
Leaning on i think even more heavily as we go forward and so we need to make sure we treat our brain with the respect that it deserves because otherwise we're lying on the floor scrolling and not even looking at what we're scrolling up
Yeah.
Manoush, thank you so much for this.
It was my absolute pleasure.
I am now going to go for a walk and think about all the things we discussed.
Yay.
Yay.
Alright folks, time for a recap.
Takeaway 1.
Some signs that you might be experiencing information overload.
Your eye starts twitching, you have trouble sleeping, you feel like your head is spinning with words and numbers and you can't settle down.
Also, if you're having trouble concentrating or you keep interrupting yourself.
Takeaway two, set information goals.
Think about why you're opening your phone or logging onto your computer.
What information are you hoping to get out of it?
What information do you really not need right now?
Once you've met your goal, stop.
Takeaway three, minimize task switching and try time boxing.
Also, signal your availability to coworkers with your calendar, with a status on Slack, with a closed door.
Takeaway four, try to stop interrupting yourself.
When you do feel the urge to, say, stop what you're doing and just go on social media, move your body instead.
And takeaway five, beware the double or triple screening.
And when you do it and your brain gets tired, again, try moving.
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Our digital editor is Malika Garib and our visuals editor is CJ Rikulan.
Megan Cain is our senior supervising editor and Lauren Gonzalez is our executive producer.
Our production team also includes Andy Tegel, Claire Marie Schneider, and Sylvie Douglas.
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Fact-checking by Andrea Lopez Cruzado.
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